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Misleading headline: ETIAS registration will be necessary to enter Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungar

Misleading headline: ETIAS registration will be necessary to enter Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland. The same goes for trips to the microstates of Andorra, Monaco, San Marino and Vatican City. Four countries — Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus and Romania — are not Schengen countries yet but are in the process of joining. Once they are admitted to the zone, they will require travelers to have an ETIAS authorization, too. This is a fairly large chunk of Europe, but it is not the entirety of Europe. Notably it excludes the European nations of Ireland, the UK, Belarus, Ukraine, and Russia, Moldova, most of the Balkans...

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mellavora 5y ago
> This is a fairly large chunk of Europe, but it is not the entirety of Europe. Notably it excludes the European nations of Ireland, the UK, Belarus, Ukraine, and Russia, Moldova, most of the Balkans... I think they call it "Schengen-land", named after an obscure town in Luxembourg. Didn't realize that Russia was a part of Europe. I thought the dream was the opposite, to make Europe a part of Russia.
- Someone 5y ago
  “Schengen area”, after the treaty to create it, which was signed in the Luxembourg town (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area)
- LAC-Tech 5y ago
  Russia is about 40% of Europes land mass.
  - pintxo 5y ago
    And 75% of the Russian population lives in Europe. But then 77% of Russian territory is considered to be on the Asian continent. And Pluto (the former planet) has about the same surface area as Russia.
- brnt 5y ago
  Russia roughly takes up the eastern third of Europe. What we call Eastern Europe is roughly the middle third.
- periheli0n 5y ago
  > I think they call it "Schengen-land", named after an obscure town in Luxembourg. Strictly speaking it's not named after the town, but after the agreements which were signed there, which grant the right of check-free border crossings to citizens of signatory countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement
- martijnvds 5y ago
  Right across the border from Perl (the German town, not the programming language :))
- jltsiren 5y ago
  There are many political, cultural, and geographical definitions of Europe. Sometimes Israel is a part of Europe, and sometimes a small part of Kazakhstan is in Europe. Sometimes the EU, the EEA, the Schengen Area, and the Eurozone are also called Europe, even though they cover only a part of Europe. It's as if Europeans deliberately wanted to make life difficult for people who believe in categories.
  - Scarblac 5y ago
    We don't go as far as having one country regularly referring to itself as "Europe" though.
  - rob74 5y ago
    It's not Europeans who are trying to do that, it's careless journalists like the author of this article. I'm European, and for me if you talk about Europe, you are still referring to the continent (which however has its own issues, as it takes up only a part of the land mass known as Eurasia, which leads to some countries like Russia and Turkey being partly located in Europe). Any other entity that gets conflated with "Europe" (the EU, the Schengen Area etc.) should be referred to by that name...
    - jltsiren 5y ago
      Europeans also do it all the time. For example, when I still lived in Finland, going to Europe meant traveling to the continental Europe south of the Baltic Sea. Finland was not in Europe, Sweden was not in Europe, the UK was not in Europe, and Denmark was a borderline case. Poland was the northern and eastern limit of Europe. Mediterranean beach resorts were also not in Europe, but nearby cities were again borderline cases. And when I read Finnish news, the EU is usually referred to either as "EU" or "Eurooppa". The actual name "Euroopan unioni" is too long, and it takes a lot of effort to write it and even more effort to say it.
  - afiori 5y ago
    The Categories Were Made For Man, Not Man For The Categories: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-made-for-man-not-man-for-the-categories/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-ma...
- xxs 5y ago
  > an obscure town in Luxembourg. It's a village, not a town.
lnsru 5y ago
I am not so sure about Europe and Russia with Belarus belonging to it. They require their own visas anyway. Please don’t mix things up.
- LAC-Tech 5y ago
  Take it up with the Ural Mountains, I guess. That or use the term 'EU' when you mean 'EU'.
  - martopix 5y ago
    Switzerland, Norway, San Marino, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Iceland, and Monaco are in the list and are not EU. They could have written "to visit the Schengen area", but many americans don't know what that means.
mhitza 5y ago
Those four countries should introduce visa entry requirements for US citizens until they enter the Schengen space. Croatia might soon enter, but as a Romanian citizen and Bulgarian neighbors, I'm pretty sure we are far away from getting accepted.
fsckboy 5y ago
don't forget, a portion of Kazakhstan is also in Europe

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mellavora 5y ago

> This is a fairly large chunk of Europe, but it is not the entirety of Europe. Notably it excludes the European nations of Ireland, the UK, Belarus, Ukraine, and Russia, Moldova, most of the Balkans... I think they call it "Schengen-land", named after an obscure town in Luxembourg. Didn't realize that Russia was a part of Europe. I thought the dream was the opposite, to make Europe a part of Russia.

Someone 5y ago
“Schengen area”, after the treaty to create it, which was signed in the Luxembourg town (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area)
LAC-Tech 5y ago
Russia is about 40% of Europes land mass.
- pintxo 5y ago
  And 75% of the Russian population lives in Europe. But then 77% of Russian territory is considered to be on the Asian continent. And Pluto (the former planet) has about the same surface area as Russia.
brnt 5y ago
Russia roughly takes up the eastern third of Europe. What we call Eastern Europe is roughly the middle third.
periheli0n 5y ago
> I think they call it "Schengen-land", named after an obscure town in Luxembourg. Strictly speaking it's not named after the town, but after the agreements which were signed there, which grant the right of check-free border crossings to citizens of signatory countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement
martijnvds 5y ago
Right across the border from Perl (the German town, not the programming language :))
jltsiren 5y ago
There are many political, cultural, and geographical definitions of Europe. Sometimes Israel is a part of Europe, and sometimes a small part of Kazakhstan is in Europe. Sometimes the EU, the EEA, the Schengen Area, and the Eurozone are also called Europe, even though they cover only a part of Europe. It's as if Europeans deliberately wanted to make life difficult for people who believe in categories.
- Scarblac 5y ago
  We don't go as far as having one country regularly referring to itself as "Europe" though.
- rob74 5y ago
  It's not Europeans who are trying to do that, it's careless journalists like the author of this article. I'm European, and for me if you talk about Europe, you are still referring to the continent (which however has its own issues, as it takes up only a part of the land mass known as Eurasia, which leads to some countries like Russia and Turkey being partly located in Europe). Any other entity that gets conflated with "Europe" (the EU, the Schengen Area etc.) should be referred to by that name...
  - jltsiren 5y ago
    Europeans also do it all the time. For example, when I still lived in Finland, going to Europe meant traveling to the continental Europe south of the Baltic Sea. Finland was not in Europe, Sweden was not in Europe, the UK was not in Europe, and Denmark was a borderline case. Poland was the northern and eastern limit of Europe. Mediterranean beach resorts were also not in Europe, but nearby cities were again borderline cases. And when I read Finnish news, the EU is usually referred to either as "EU" or "Eurooppa". The actual name "Euroopan unioni" is too long, and it takes a lot of effort to write it and even more effort to say it.
- afiori 5y ago
  The Categories Were Made For Man, Not Man For The Categories: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-made-for-man-not-man-for-the-categories/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-ma...
xxs 5y ago
> an obscure town in Luxembourg. It's a village, not a town.

lnsru 5y ago

I am not so sure about Europe and Russia with Belarus belonging to it. They require their own visas anyway. Please don’t mix things up.

LAC-Tech 5y ago
Take it up with the Ural Mountains, I guess. That or use the term 'EU' when you mean 'EU'.
- martopix 5y ago
  Switzerland, Norway, San Marino, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Iceland, and Monaco are in the list and are not EU. They could have written "to visit the Schengen area", but many americans don't know what that means.

mhitza 5y ago

Those four countries should introduce visa entry requirements for US citizens until they enter the Schengen space. Croatia might soon enter, but as a Romanian citizen and Bulgarian neighbors, I'm pretty sure we are far away from getting accepted.

fsckboy 5y ago

don't forget, a portion of Kazakhstan is also in Europe