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>Anyone in the top 5% is definitely that good 1. Overwatch, the competitive ladder, is not a casual game. Everything you mentioned for CS, happens in Overwatch

>Anyone in the top 5% is definitely that good 1. Overwatch, the competitive ladder, is not a casual game. Everything you mentioned for CS, happens in Overwatch too; it's a esport that had millions invested. 2. The top 5% of CSGO ranked is Legendary Eagle. There is a world of difference between Legendary Eagle and Global Elite (top .75%). And even between those 2 ranks, there are two other ranks. The top 5% isn't that good; and Global Elite itself is still a step below actual pros.

xenihn 5y ago
I don't think it's a matter of not being good, just that others are that much better. It might sound similar, but it's not. You're still better than hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of people. It's like being a tech worker who earns $400k a year and saying "I don't earn that much, there's people who do what I do clearing seven figures a year, and others who were able to retire in their early 30s and don't even have to work anymore because they became so wealthy from work." Sure, it's not a lot of money compared to those people, but it is when compared to the vast majority of wage earners in any region in the world.
rowanG077 5y ago
At least a few years ago when I was still following the CS:GO scene a lot of pros weren't Global Elite. It takes a different skillset to be able to dominate pubs and to be able to work well in a professional CS team.
- samb1729 5y ago
  A lot of pros aren’t global elite simply because they don’t play matchmaking seriously at all. Absolutely every professional csgo player in a top-20/30/100 team would easily attain that rank if they wanted it.
  - sage76 5y ago
    Not in North America. Some pro admitted that there's way too much cheating for him to get to SMFC or GE.
  - rowanG077 5y ago
    I mean that's a pretty empty statement then. I might as well say "Anyone can easily attain Global Elite if they wanted it.". Most people aren't taking matchmaking serious at all. It's just a pub game. I don't see a reason to hold pros to a lower standard here.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    No. Some NA pros have actually said they couldn't do it. There are a lot of cheaters and you get punished for trying to play as a team.
numlock86 5y ago
> The top 5% of CSGO ranked is Legendary Eagle. Cool. As a Legendary Eagle Master I didn't even know this. I assume that is like the top 2.5% or something? I would agree with the initial statement of the article, though: Watching "real" competitive players just seems like magic and I feel like average at best, albeit apparently (as I just learned) being in the top 5% or better. Same goes for basically anything else I am "good" at, even with work. There's just always so many people being so much better ...
thecloud 5y ago
Actually, global elite is a few steps below actual pros - above global theres faceit level 10, then open ladders/leagues, then invite only leagues which are at semi-pro level and lastly the pro leagues EDIT: AFAIK Global Elite starts at about 1600-1700 elo, theres a lot of room above that

xenihn 5y ago

I don't think it's a matter of not being good, just that others are that much better. It might sound similar, but it's not. You're still better than hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of people. It's like being a tech worker who earns $400k a year and saying "I don't earn that much, there's people who do what I do clearing seven figures a year, and others who were able to retire in their early 30s and don't even have to work anymore because they became so wealthy from work." Sure, it's not a lot of money compared to those people, but it is when compared to the vast majority of wage earners in any region in the world.

rowanG077 5y ago

At least a few years ago when I was still following the CS:GO scene a lot of pros weren't Global Elite. It takes a different skillset to be able to dominate pubs and to be able to work well in a professional CS team.

samb1729 5y ago
A lot of pros aren’t global elite simply because they don’t play matchmaking seriously at all. Absolutely every professional csgo player in a top-20/30/100 team would easily attain that rank if they wanted it.
- sage76 5y ago
  Not in North America. Some pro admitted that there's way too much cheating for him to get to SMFC or GE.
- rowanG077 5y ago
  I mean that's a pretty empty statement then. I might as well say "Anyone can easily attain Global Elite if they wanted it.". Most people aren't taking matchmaking serious at all. It's just a pub game. I don't see a reason to hold pros to a lower standard here.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  No. Some NA pros have actually said they couldn't do it. There are a lot of cheaters and you get punished for trying to play as a team.

numlock86 5y ago

> The top 5% of CSGO ranked is Legendary Eagle. Cool. As a Legendary Eagle Master I didn't even know this. I assume that is like the top 2.5% or something? I would agree with the initial statement of the article, though: Watching "real" competitive players just seems like magic and I feel like average at best, albeit apparently (as I just learned) being in the top 5% or better. Same goes for basically anything else I am "good" at, even with work. There's just always so many people being so much better ...

thecloud 5y ago

Actually, global elite is a few steps below actual pros - above global theres faceit level 10, then open ladders/leagues, then invite only leagues which are at semi-pro level and lastly the pro leagues EDIT: AFAIK Global Elite starts at about 1600-1700 elo, theres a lot of room above that