> And if not optimized "prematurely" (ie. written efficiently from the start), then after-the-fact optimization, if happens at all, would shave only a fraction

> And if not optimized "prematurely" (ie. written efficiently from the start), then after-the-fact optimization, if happens at all, would shave only a fraction out of the "forever" - thus it frequently doesn't happen at all because of such low projected ROI. My personal experience completely contradicts what you're saying. Despite the cushy comforts of server-side scripting languages, I have experienced the occasional performance or scalability problem, and in every single case, I wrote inefficient code on the first pass, discovered unacceptable slowness at a later date, then found the bottleneck and optimized it. Perhaps I am a brilliant super-coder (unlikely), but I have never ignored a performance problem because I didn't think I could improve it enough to be worth the effort.