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Would it be fair to say this is like a Democrat house staffer getting fired for donating to the NRA? Or a Tory staffer to an MP getting fired for donating to a

Would it be fair to say this is like a Democrat house staffer getting fired for donating to the NRA? Or a Tory staffer to an MP getting fired for donating to a Labour candidate?

MattGaiser 5y ago
Yes. Those are comparable.
- inter_netuser 5y ago
  No. Ontario has a conservative government, and the federal conservative party supported the convoy to some degree, and a few MPs met with truckers. This would be similar to Democrats firing someone for donating to BLM. Is there such precedent?
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    You're confusing the federal conservatives with the provincial conservatives. In Canada, the link between provincial and federal parties is quite tenuous - see the Alberta NPD which is radically different from the federal NPD. The Ontarian conservatives as far as I'm aware were always against it.
    - gotorazor 5y ago
      Yes, so more like an Oregon Republican party staffer donating to the Ammon Bundy standoff in 2016. And then the Oregon Republican Party ask that person to resign.
      - inter_netuser 5y ago
        is Oregon ruled by mostly Republicans or Democrats? I thought it was a Democrat state overall, with some rural parts that vote R. The crucial question, is this the party in power, or not. In case of Oregon, this appears to be solidly Democrats, not Republicans. In the incident described in the article, Ontario is governed by the Ontario Conservative Party, and so for the comparison to be valid, it would have to be against a governing party, in case of Oregon that to be Democrats. Did any Democrat in Oregon fire any staffers, or similar, that donated to BLM? Militants that allied themselves with BLM have murdered people, which AFAIK is something far beyond anything truckers have done. I have not heard about any donors to BLM being fired over that, and if such precedent exists but for some reason was not widely covered, please post examples, tia.
jagger27 5y ago
Just so it’s clear, this is a conservative staffer fired by a conservative government for donating to a far(ther) right cause.
- inter_netuser 5y ago
  Correct. Have there been any Democrat staffers fired over donations to BLM? P.S. As a working class protest over conditions of employment, one could even frame this into a typical socialist strike type of thing, if it were politically profitable. Some of the left persuasion even worry that this sets precedent for extra-judicial strike funds seizures in the future. I don't even know how "return to normalcy" (probably the shortest way to summarize the convoy's demands) is right or left, it is quite sad that we are discussing such basic concepts on the basis of blue-red spectrum.
  - nathanaldensr 5y ago
    It shows how deeply the false dichotomy has taken root.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    It's not a working class protest, neither is it a strike. For a protest to consist as working class, it needs to have the support of the working class - which it doesn't, since trucking unions came out against it. It also needs to be for the interests of the working class, which it doesn't seem to be at all. It's not a strike either, because they're not withholding labour, they're complaining about not being able to labour. Also, if you're trying to frame this in socialist point of view, that doesn't work either, because the owners-operators that are the focal point of the protest aren't even working class, from a socialist point of view they're middle class or petit-bourgeois (depending on if they rent out their rig). They also typically make around twice the median wage despite living in a low cost of living, and are much wealthier than the average Canadian. As far as the frozen funds precedents, I agree.
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      The trucking union leaders also donate to Justin Trudeau's party and are friends. Saying that these leaders views represent the truckers views is not correct. Truckers even if they are small business owners can be part of the working class. So can plumbers and other trades who often own their own business. Framing working class status around money is missing key elements. Someone willing to work with their hands will be looked down by an university employee even if the trades person makes much more. Was there a class issue in Ottawa? It appears so. Residents were afraid because these Canadians were different. They hide inside and looked for stories of violence. One lawyer on television went as far as to say he hide inside because he felt appeared different in a suit and a mask. Ottawa downtown residents are more likely to be top national lawyer with connections to the elite than to a drywaller.
gremlinsinc 5y ago

Would it be fair to say this is like a Democrat house staffer getting fired for donating to the NRA? Or a Tory staffer to an MP getting fired for donating to a Labour candidate?

MattGaiser 5y ago

Yes. Those are comparable.

inter_netuser 5y ago
No. Ontario has a conservative government, and the federal conservative party supported the convoy to some degree, and a few MPs met with truckers. This would be similar to Democrats firing someone for donating to BLM. Is there such precedent?
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  You're confusing the federal conservatives with the provincial conservatives. In Canada, the link between provincial and federal parties is quite tenuous - see the Alberta NPD which is radically different from the federal NPD. The Ontarian conservatives as far as I'm aware were always against it.
  - gotorazor 5y ago
    Yes, so more like an Oregon Republican party staffer donating to the Ammon Bundy standoff in 2016. And then the Oregon Republican Party ask that person to resign.
    - inter_netuser 5y ago
      is Oregon ruled by mostly Republicans or Democrats? I thought it was a Democrat state overall, with some rural parts that vote R. The crucial question, is this the party in power, or not. In case of Oregon, this appears to be solidly Democrats, not Republicans. In the incident described in the article, Ontario is governed by the Ontario Conservative Party, and so for the comparison to be valid, it would have to be against a governing party, in case of Oregon that to be Democrats. Did any Democrat in Oregon fire any staffers, or similar, that donated to BLM? Militants that allied themselves with BLM have murdered people, which AFAIK is something far beyond anything truckers have done. I have not heard about any donors to BLM being fired over that, and if such precedent exists but for some reason was not widely covered, please post examples, tia.

jagger27 5y ago

Just so it’s clear, this is a conservative staffer fired by a conservative government for donating to a far(ther) right cause.

inter_netuser 5y ago
Correct. Have there been any Democrat staffers fired over donations to BLM? P.S. As a working class protest over conditions of employment, one could even frame this into a typical socialist strike type of thing, if it were politically profitable. Some of the left persuasion even worry that this sets precedent for extra-judicial strike funds seizures in the future. I don't even know how "return to normalcy" (probably the shortest way to summarize the convoy's demands) is right or left, it is quite sad that we are discussing such basic concepts on the basis of blue-red spectrum.
- nathanaldensr 5y ago
  It shows how deeply the false dichotomy has taken root.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  It's not a working class protest, neither is it a strike. For a protest to consist as working class, it needs to have the support of the working class - which it doesn't, since trucking unions came out against it. It also needs to be for the interests of the working class, which it doesn't seem to be at all. It's not a strike either, because they're not withholding labour, they're complaining about not being able to labour. Also, if you're trying to frame this in socialist point of view, that doesn't work either, because the owners-operators that are the focal point of the protest aren't even working class, from a socialist point of view they're middle class or petit-bourgeois (depending on if they rent out their rig). They also typically make around twice the median wage despite living in a low cost of living, and are much wealthier than the average Canadian. As far as the frozen funds precedents, I agree.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    The trucking union leaders also donate to Justin Trudeau's party and are friends. Saying that these leaders views represent the truckers views is not correct. Truckers even if they are small business owners can be part of the working class. So can plumbers and other trades who often own their own business. Framing working class status around money is missing key elements. Someone willing to work with their hands will be looked down by an university employee even if the trades person makes much more. Was there a class issue in Ottawa? It appears so. Residents were afraid because these Canadians were different. They hide inside and looked for stories of violence. One lawyer on television went as far as to say he hide inside because he felt appeared different in a suit and a mask. Ottawa downtown residents are more likely to be top national lawyer with connections to the elite than to a drywaller.

gremlinsinc 5y ago