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Honest question, it seems this was tied to her via initials and email… Couldn’t anyone in theory have made a donation in her name ? Or with those pieces of inf

by yial 5y ago

Honest question, it seems this was tied to her via initials and email… Couldn’t anyone in theory have made a donation in her name ? Or with those pieces of information if they knew them?

zinekeller 5y ago
That's what's reported here, but considering that it already happened maybe there's a more incriminating detail not disclosed (i.e. bank/card details)? Otherwise it would be definitely a hasty fire.
rightbyte 5y ago
Maybe she didn't deny it like the other person in the article? Maybe she thought the state would not fire dissidents for donating to rallies/strike blockades. It says something about Canadian labour laws. I guess it is a culture thing. In France these kind of protests are very common.
tylersmith 5y ago
Those are concerns for due process, which is out the window in this situation.
- d_e_solomon 5y ago
  What exact due process are we looking for here? If I donate to an extremist organization, and my boss finds out, is he required to still continue to employ me? Or can my boss only fire me if a government takes me to court? Is my boss allowed to fire me because my job performance is poor? Or does he have to wait till the government puts me in jail for being a shitty sys admin? I do find this idea that speech doesn't carry consequences really foreign and odd.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    If your boss is firing you for your political beliefs you might have a lawsuit. Anyone who doesn't vote for the candidate Google's ceo decides will be fired?
    - d_e_solomon 5y ago
      Political beliefs aren't a federally protected class; and only protected in a handful of states. So yes, you can be fired over political beliefs.
xoa 5y ago
>Couldn’t anyone in theory have made a donation in her name ? Or with those pieces of information if they knew them? Sure, but while linking a person in the first place might be challenging in most donation systems, DISproving a false information donation should be fairly trivial right? While never having used it, looks like GiveSendGo uses credit/debit cards for underlying payment. That means the transaction history is well recorded and traced if you actually wish to share it. If someone was accused of using it and hadn't, they could prove it with a financial transaction list for that period, or subpoena GSG for the name on the card used or a bunch of other ways. Being in the standard financial system means everything is recorded in a centralized manner, which can be a bad thing for privacy but useful in a case like that. You can show that no money came from any account of yours.
tootie 5y ago
I'd imagine there was more investigation than that. As a gov employee she may be obligated to disclose some information that might otherwise be private. Working in a law enforcement agency while sponsoring activity labelled as criminal seems a conflict of interest that's likely against her terms of employment.

by yial 5y ago

Honest question, it seems this was tied to her via initials and email… Couldn’t anyone in theory have made a donation in her name ? Or with those pieces of information if they knew them?

zinekeller 5y ago

That's what's reported here, but considering that it already happened maybe there's a more incriminating detail not disclosed (i.e. bank/card details)? Otherwise it would be definitely a hasty fire.

rightbyte 5y ago

Maybe she didn't deny it like the other person in the article? Maybe she thought the state would not fire dissidents for donating to rallies/strike blockades. It says something about Canadian labour laws. I guess it is a culture thing. In France these kind of protests are very common.

tylersmith 5y ago

Those are concerns for due process, which is out the window in this situation.

d_e_solomon 5y ago
What exact due process are we looking for here? If I donate to an extremist organization, and my boss finds out, is he required to still continue to employ me? Or can my boss only fire me if a government takes me to court? Is my boss allowed to fire me because my job performance is poor? Or does he have to wait till the government puts me in jail for being a shitty sys admin? I do find this idea that speech doesn't carry consequences really foreign and odd.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  If your boss is firing you for your political beliefs you might have a lawsuit. Anyone who doesn't vote for the candidate Google's ceo decides will be fired?
  - d_e_solomon 5y ago
    Political beliefs aren't a federally protected class; and only protected in a handful of states. So yes, you can be fired over political beliefs.

xoa 5y ago

>Couldn’t anyone in theory have made a donation in her name ? Or with those pieces of information if they knew them? Sure, but while linking a person in the first place might be challenging in most donation systems, DISproving a false information donation should be fairly trivial right? While never having used it, looks like GiveSendGo uses credit/debit cards for underlying payment. That means the transaction history is well recorded and traced if you actually wish to share it. If someone was accused of using it and hadn't, they could prove it with a financial transaction list for that period, or subpoena GSG for the name on the card used or a bunch of other ways. Being in the standard financial system means everything is recorded in a centralized manner, which can be a bad thing for privacy but useful in a case like that. You can show that no money came from any account of yours.

tootie 5y ago

I'd imagine there was more investigation than that. As a gov employee she may be obligated to disclose some information that might otherwise be private. Working in a law enforcement agency while sponsoring activity labelled as criminal seems a conflict of interest that's likely against her terms of employment.