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This is supposed to be heartwarming story but I'm personally a bit shocked that this 79 year old man now has to share a 1-room flat with another man (after 30 y

This is supposed to be heartwarming story but I'm personally a bit shocked that this 79 year old man now has to share a 1-room flat with another man (after 30 years of living alone) and has to work as a driver and doing some other low-wage jobs to sustain himself at that age. Give this man a garden.

refurb 5y ago
The Singapore government’s attitude is everyone has to contribute to the best of their abilities. If you’re destitute, HDB will rent you a cheap 2 room apartment for $20/month. But you will have a roommate and you’ll be expected to pay your rent on time. The universal healthcare is paid for out of employment contributions (heavily subsidized for low income folks) and each visit costs money. If you’re destitute you’ll get an even higher level of subsidy, but you’ll be expected to pay some token amount. Cant afford that? Appeal to the hospital which has a special fund which can help (after a thorough determination of your financial status).
- AlchemistCamp 5y ago
  He's already 79, which is older than the average man in a rich country lives. How about when he's 89 or 99? Is there no retirement age?
  - philliphaydon 5y ago
    There is, but its difficult to gague if people work to live or live to work when they reach retirement. Alot of the taxi drivers are really old. But speaking to them I've had a couple say they retired, got bored and took up taxi driving. While others say their CPF is too low and they need to continue working to support their family.
  - baybal2 5y ago
    Sing pension funds last at most 15-20 years for most of people of his generation without white collar job. People are expected to only "semi"-retire
  - pydry 5y ago
    You are supposed to fund it yourself with a forced savings account. It works provided you earned enough in your working years, didnt get too sick, didnt buy a too expensive flat. There are legions of elderly workers who sell tissues in food courts to live who dont have enough saved. They have access to subsidized healthcare and apartments but they are still scrabbling for pennies to keep their head above the water. It's an interesting approach in that the elderly arent completely hung out to dry but they're expected to still participate in a rat race and be subjected to market discipline albeit in a lower gear. Macroeconomically, by expanding the labor pool it helps keep a lid on inflation. Hawker food, taxis, cleaners, etc. are all very cheap in SG.
    - allisdust 5y ago
      That's so sad. Most of humanity is from hand to mouth through out their lives. Never having the luxury of doing nothing. There should be something beyond democracy to make people less of cogs in a machine. As it stands all its doing is perpetuating intolerable levels of inequity where some have enough that their next 100 generations don't have to do anything and others don't know where their next meal will come from. Democracy is a straight jacket where rich get security and poor gets the stick and nothing can be done to change the status quo.
      - pydry 5y ago
        There was a party in the 1950s Singapore who said things along these lines. They were unceremoniously tossed in prison in a political crackdown, but they still left a long lasting imprint on the country despite constant attempts to exorcize their ghost. HDBs exist largely because it was an idea of theirs that was popular and because Lee Kuan Yew was afraid of their popularity. Officially, though, it happened because of LKY's "pragmatism".
  - WastingMyTime89 5y ago
    That’s the miracle of Singapore. Opposition made inelegible through bogus tax fraud charges, elderlies working at McDonalds, bus drivers paid differently depending of their ethnicity and forcibly deported when they strike, executions every Thursday, canning still part of the penal code, first ranked exams deciding your education tracks at six, everything is fine as long as the financial industry keeps happily churning benefits. A true paradise on earth.
- mantas 5y ago
  Eh, token visit pay is good. Otherwise system gets clogged by old people who come up with fake issues just to come talk to nurses and doctor. Which is a serious issue as well. But it should be addressed by community centers where lonely people can meet other people
  - _0w8t 5y ago
    In Norway for the same reason one is supposed to pay for a doctor. That amount is limited to about 250 USD per year, anything above that is covered by the state. Still it is quite effective to prevent visiting a doctor for trivial issues. And it is not only elderly people who just want to chat to a doctor. When I was a student a girl from the university told that she invented symptoms just to visit a doctor who was handsome and cute.
    - vidarh 5y ago
      Norways healthcare system is one of the most expensive in Europe. Far more so than e. g. in the UK with no copay, and one of only a couple to occasionally compete with the US on high cost...
  - ValentineC 5y ago
    On the other hand, because of the need for a medical certificate [1] in most conventional companies (there's even a centralised system for this [2]), students and workers often have to clog up the healthcare system just to prove that they're ill. [1] https://www.sma.org.sg/UploadedImg/files/Publications%20-%20SMA%20News/5101/Opinion.pdf https://www.sma.org.sg/UploadedImg/files/Publications%20-%20... [2] https://www.mc.gov.sg/ https://www.mc.gov.sg/
    - mantas 5y ago
      What would you do instead? If someone says he's ill, trust him? :) But someone is paying for sick days, right? :) At least in my countries sick days are covered (first 3? days by employer, then the state). Naturally paper trail is necessary to avoid abusing the system. Back in my school days, for some time parents-written sick note was accepted up to 5 days. So many kids had vacation pictures to show after being „sick“.
s5300 5y ago
> Give this man a garden. No developed country cares about man this much.
citboin 5y ago
“Give this man a garden.” He still has his garden at gets up at 3 a.m. so he can go check on it every day.

refurb 5y ago

The Singapore government’s attitude is everyone has to contribute to the best of their abilities. If you’re destitute, HDB will rent you a cheap 2 room apartment for $20/month. But you will have a roommate and you’ll be expected to pay your rent on time. The universal healthcare is paid for out of employment contributions (heavily subsidized for low income folks) and each visit costs money. If you’re destitute you’ll get an even higher level of subsidy, but you’ll be expected to pay some token amount. Cant afford that? Appeal to the hospital which has a special fund which can help (after a thorough determination of your financial status).

AlchemistCamp 5y ago
He's already 79, which is older than the average man in a rich country lives. How about when he's 89 or 99? Is there no retirement age?
- philliphaydon 5y ago
  There is, but its difficult to gague if people work to live or live to work when they reach retirement. Alot of the taxi drivers are really old. But speaking to them I've had a couple say they retired, got bored and took up taxi driving. While others say their CPF is too low and they need to continue working to support their family.
- baybal2 5y ago
  Sing pension funds last at most 15-20 years for most of people of his generation without white collar job. People are expected to only "semi"-retire
- pydry 5y ago
  You are supposed to fund it yourself with a forced savings account. It works provided you earned enough in your working years, didnt get too sick, didnt buy a too expensive flat. There are legions of elderly workers who sell tissues in food courts to live who dont have enough saved. They have access to subsidized healthcare and apartments but they are still scrabbling for pennies to keep their head above the water. It's an interesting approach in that the elderly arent completely hung out to dry but they're expected to still participate in a rat race and be subjected to market discipline albeit in a lower gear. Macroeconomically, by expanding the labor pool it helps keep a lid on inflation. Hawker food, taxis, cleaners, etc. are all very cheap in SG.
  - allisdust 5y ago
    That's so sad. Most of humanity is from hand to mouth through out their lives. Never having the luxury of doing nothing. There should be something beyond democracy to make people less of cogs in a machine. As it stands all its doing is perpetuating intolerable levels of inequity where some have enough that their next 100 generations don't have to do anything and others don't know where their next meal will come from. Democracy is a straight jacket where rich get security and poor gets the stick and nothing can be done to change the status quo.
    - pydry 5y ago
      There was a party in the 1950s Singapore who said things along these lines. They were unceremoniously tossed in prison in a political crackdown, but they still left a long lasting imprint on the country despite constant attempts to exorcize their ghost. HDBs exist largely because it was an idea of theirs that was popular and because Lee Kuan Yew was afraid of their popularity. Officially, though, it happened because of LKY's "pragmatism".
- WastingMyTime89 5y ago
  That’s the miracle of Singapore. Opposition made inelegible through bogus tax fraud charges, elderlies working at McDonalds, bus drivers paid differently depending of their ethnicity and forcibly deported when they strike, executions every Thursday, canning still part of the penal code, first ranked exams deciding your education tracks at six, everything is fine as long as the financial industry keeps happily churning benefits. A true paradise on earth.
mantas 5y ago
Eh, token visit pay is good. Otherwise system gets clogged by old people who come up with fake issues just to come talk to nurses and doctor. Which is a serious issue as well. But it should be addressed by community centers where lonely people can meet other people
- _0w8t 5y ago
  In Norway for the same reason one is supposed to pay for a doctor. That amount is limited to about 250 USD per year, anything above that is covered by the state. Still it is quite effective to prevent visiting a doctor for trivial issues. And it is not only elderly people who just want to chat to a doctor. When I was a student a girl from the university told that she invented symptoms just to visit a doctor who was handsome and cute.
  - vidarh 5y ago
    Norways healthcare system is one of the most expensive in Europe. Far more so than e. g. in the UK with no copay, and one of only a couple to occasionally compete with the US on high cost...
- ValentineC 5y ago
  On the other hand, because of the need for a medical certificate [1] in most conventional companies (there's even a centralised system for this [2]), students and workers often have to clog up the healthcare system just to prove that they're ill. [1] https://www.sma.org.sg/UploadedImg/files/Publications%20-%20SMA%20News/5101/Opinion.pdf https://www.sma.org.sg/UploadedImg/files/Publications%20-%20... [2] https://www.mc.gov.sg/ https://www.mc.gov.sg/
  - mantas 5y ago
    What would you do instead? If someone says he's ill, trust him? :) But someone is paying for sick days, right? :) At least in my countries sick days are covered (first 3? days by employer, then the state). Naturally paper trail is necessary to avoid abusing the system. Back in my school days, for some time parents-written sick note was accepted up to 5 days. So many kids had vacation pictures to show after being „sick“.

s5300 5y ago

> Give this man a garden. No developed country cares about man this much.

citboin 5y ago

“Give this man a garden.” He still has his garden at gets up at 3 a.m. so he can go check on it every day.