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$250/mo is about what I pay driving a paid off beater 100mi/day. And I pay "you have a dick and live in a shitty zip code" insurance rates. A payment on a ran

$250/mo is about what I pay driving a paid off beater 100mi/day. And I pay "you have a dick and live in a shitty zip code" insurance rates. A payment on a random economy subcompact that gets 40mpg would probably be cheaper because I only get ~22mpg. >That's way more than any transit pass I know of You are unaware of the cost of the various commuter rail passes that anyone not already living in the "inner ring" well served by bus any or subway needs to use to get into that inner ring. It would cost me $380/mo to commute via rail (and take longer too). I used to pay it when I worked downtown. The prices don't go down that much for living farther in.

triceratops 5y ago
> $250/mo is about what I pay driving a paid off beater 100mi/day. I only get ~22mpg. Your numbers simply don't add up. Assuming a 5-day work week, 48 weeks of work/year, and $2.50/gal gas (pretty cheap), you're spending $227/mo just on gas. You really only spend $23/mo on insurance, oil changes, brake pads and everything else? I think you're seriously underestimating how much your car actually costs you. And again, the paid-off beater is the absolute best case scenario. A financed new or new-ish used car (which is the more typical case) has additional insurance, registration, interest, and depreciation costs. I'm not anti-car. I own a car and I think cars are great, for a wide range of use cases. I am anti-"favoring transit over cars hurts poor people" lies. Because they are lies.
- geoduck14 5y ago
  >You really only spend $23/mo on insurance, oil changes, brake pads and everything else? This actually wouldn't surprise me, too much. Insurance is the most expensive of these, and I've heard of Liability-only rates of $30/mo
  - triceratops 5y ago
    For someone who claims to drive 100 miles/day? Impossible. Also, $30/mo just on insurance (which, again, to me is not credible) is way more than $23/mo on insurance, registration, and maintenance. Registration is usually $5-10/mo. Maintenance on a car driven 2x the national average is going cost a pretty penny.
triceratops 5y ago
SF Muni is < $100/mo.[1] The NYC subway is $127/mo.[2] Caltrain's most expensive pass, which covers 6 zones, is $400. But at a minimum that's a commute from Morgan Hill to San Bruno, which is a 120-mile round trip. It's going to cost at least $20/day to drive that commute. > It would cost me $380/mo to commute via rail...when I worked downtown Was parking free in downtown? > and take longer too If it was both more expensive, and took longer, why didn't you drive? Why take public transit at all? My guess is that it was still cheaper than driving, after considering all the costs. 1. https://www.sfmta.com/fares/monthly-adult-ages-19-64 https://www.sfmta.com/fares/monthly-adult-ages-19-64 2. https://new.mta.info/fares https://new.mta.info/fares 3. https://www.caltrain.com/stations/systemmap.html https://www.caltrain.com/stations/systemmap.html

triceratops 5y ago

> $250/mo is about what I pay driving a paid off beater 100mi/day. I only get ~22mpg. Your numbers simply don't add up. Assuming a 5-day work week, 48 weeks of work/year, and $2.50/gal gas (pretty cheap), you're spending $227/mo just on gas. You really only spend $23/mo on insurance, oil changes, brake pads and everything else? I think you're seriously underestimating how much your car actually costs you. And again, the paid-off beater is the absolute best case scenario. A financed new or new-ish used car (which is the more typical case) has additional insurance, registration, interest, and depreciation costs. I'm not anti-car. I own a car and I think cars are great, for a wide range of use cases. I am anti-"favoring transit over cars hurts poor people" lies. Because they are lies.

geoduck14 5y ago
>You really only spend $23/mo on insurance, oil changes, brake pads and everything else? This actually wouldn't surprise me, too much. Insurance is the most expensive of these, and I've heard of Liability-only rates of $30/mo
- triceratops 5y ago
  For someone who claims to drive 100 miles/day? Impossible. Also, $30/mo just on insurance (which, again, to me is not credible) is way more than $23/mo on insurance, registration, and maintenance. Registration is usually $5-10/mo. Maintenance on a car driven 2x the national average is going cost a pretty penny.

triceratops 5y ago

SF Muni is < $100/mo.[1] The NYC subway is $127/mo.[2] Caltrain's most expensive pass, which covers 6 zones, is $400. But at a minimum that's a commute from Morgan Hill to San Bruno, which is a 120-mile round trip. It's going to cost at least $20/day to drive that commute. > It would cost me $380/mo to commute via rail...when I worked downtown Was parking free in downtown? > and take longer too If it was both more expensive, and took longer, why didn't you drive? Why take public transit at all? My guess is that it was still cheaper than driving, after considering all the costs. 1. https://www.sfmta.com/fares/monthly-adult-ages-19-64 https://www.sfmta.com/fares/monthly-adult-ages-19-64 2. https://new.mta.info/fares https://new.mta.info/fares 3. https://www.caltrain.com/stations/systemmap.html https://www.caltrain.com/stations/systemmap.html