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Yeah, no thank you, I don't come to Hacker News for crypto talk, the bias is comical and the talking points are recycled as a new article every week (scams!, sp

Yeah, no thank you, I don't come to Hacker News for crypto talk, the bias is comical and the talking points are recycled as a new article every week (scams!, speculation!, hype!, wasted electricity!, tether!) All of those have rebuttals, but I don't want to get into the politics of it, there's plenty of that already. Can we please talk about the fucking tech here? I'm talking about what's made with it, not some sort of philosophical debate about how authoritarian we should be to protect people we deem gullible, or who can spend electricity on what, or who is allowed to speculate. For those who actually are interested in the tech and not some faux moral crusade, here's better "awesome" lists, that are actually awesome, not toxic. https://github.com/OffcierCia/DeFi-Developer-Road-Map https://github.com/OffcierCia/DeFi-Developer-Road-Map https://github.com/bkrem/awesome-solidity https://github.com/bkrem/awesome-solidity https://github.com/btomashvili/awesome-ethereum https://github.com/btomashvili/awesome-ethereum https://github.com/bkrem/awesome-solidity https://github.com/bkrem/awesome-solidity https://github.com/vinsgo/awesome-ethereum https://github.com/vinsgo/awesome-ethereum https://github.com/toadkicker/awesome-ethereum https://github.com/toadkicker/awesome-ethereum https://github.com/void4/awesome-ethereum https://github.com/void4/awesome-ethereum https://github.com/JoinColony/awesome-web3 https://github.com/JoinColony/awesome-web3

_zllx 5y ago
I wish I could be this positive and resourceful on this topic. It just gives me the urge to write a passive-aggressive tirade against the unfounded (almost manufactured) hate against this powerful technology. Nobody is putting it back in the box, no matter how many years they spend whining on their ironically named "dunning-kruger" blogs. Dammit, there I go again. I could go on for 12 more paragraphs but I'll cut it short here.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  None of it is unfounded or manufactured. If you think it is, you are blinding yourself to some pretty obvious truth that you do not want to believe in.
sagarm 5y ago
I am genuinely curious on useful applications for a decentralized ledger, so I skimmed this linkdump. > https://github.com/OffcierCia/DeFi-Developer-Road-Map https://github.com/OffcierCia/DeFi-Developer-Road-Map Background and development information, no applications. This link, by itself, has a massive number of links. > https://github.com/bkrem/awesome-solidity https://github.com/bkrem/awesome-solidity This links is later duplicated, but is also mostly background and developer information. There is one section titled "deployed on Ethereum mainnet" which seems to be mostly dev tools again - rarity, an MMO (example UI: https://raritymmo.com/ https://raritymmo.com/). That's kind of cool, if unlikely to be monetizable. - ronin, a sidechain implementation to support another game called "Axie Infinity". > https://github.com/bekatom/awesome-ethereum https://github.com/bekatom/awesome-ethereum Another giant linkfarm. Has a "DAPPS" section. Again mostly dev tools or tools for interacting with Ethereum itself, but a few things that look like applications: - a decentralized crowdfunding platform: err, doesn't the money eventually go to a particular endpoint? What's the point of decentralizing this. - zeronet decentralized websites: bitcoin doesn't provide compute infrastructure or a high-bandwidth distribution mechanism (bittorrent is used for this), so...what does this actually _do_? auth can be handled by TLS. - augur: platform for prediction markets. interesting idea, but ... ultimately the actual result has to be certified? I'm out of time but in general I haven't seen a simple example of what problems a decentralized ledger solves, ignoring all the technical issues like energy use and 51% attacks.
- hunterb123 5y ago
  > That's kind of cool, if unlikely to be monetizable. That's not a bad thing, but it isn't true anyway, you literally login with your wallet. Virtual currencies are banned on Stripe, PayPal etc. MMOs are how I got into crypto in the first place. > I am genuinely curious on useful applications. I was sharing "awesome" lists related to "web3", not a list of apps to support some argument you want to have about "energy use" or "51% attacks". Since this is a forum that has developers on it, a list of resources and roadmap for developers interested in getting started in web3 is useful, is it not? And yes, awesome lists are "link dumps", nice connotation twist. Here's more geared towards your "genuine curiosity" of web3 apps: https://github.com/gdamdam/awesome-decentralized-web https://github.com/gdamdam/awesome-decentralized-web https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet https://github.com/jasonwalsh/awesome-dapps https://github.com/jasonwalsh/awesome-dapps
user-the-name 5y ago
> the bias is comical and the talking points are recycled as a new article every week (scams!, speculation!, hype!, wasted electricity!, tether!) There is a very strong bias towards the truth, yes.
- hunterb123 5y ago
  That's the equivalent of "yes-huh". Your truth is not reality. If you really want to argue this, please at least have something of substance.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    Unfortunately, my truth is reality. It is not really my problem that you have yet to realise this.
    - hunterb123 5y ago
      Okay, when you have a reality you can put into words please feel free bring it to the table.
      - user-the-name 5y ago
        Why? People are doing it all the time, and you are rejecting them outright. Why should I bother to do the same when the last hundred times, you would not listen?
        hunterb123 5y ago
        Simply asking you to pick your favorite critique and defend it. Unless you're just parroting others and you don't have a view? I cannot prove a negative, or in this case an undefined, you need to present an issue to debate.
        user-the-name 5y ago
lawtalkinghuman 5y ago
I took a look at "awesome-dapps" to see if there were indeed any awesome dapps that I could try. OpenBazaar - Closed Jan 4, 2021. https://twitter.com/openbazaar/status/1346104369566121986 https://twitter.com/openbazaar/status/1346104369566121986 SafeMarket - the getting started link says it's alpha, tells you to go to the subreddit, which is closed. The GitHub repo last had a commit in 2016. Livepeer - a video streaming service that has no actual evidence on the website of anyone actually using it to stream any content. All the videos they have up on the Livepeer website about Livepeer... are hosted on YouTube. All the discussion I see of it on Twitter and their subreddit is about which exchanges the coin is listed on and the likelihood of it going to the moon etc. The actual utility in transcoding seems secondary to the speculative value of the token. CryptoPunks - I hope the person who paid $23 million is happy with their purchase. Thousand Ether Homepage - old school web nostalgia. Okay that's nice I guess. "An open source sample iOS dApp that demonstrates a practical use-case in biomedical research: sharing location data by interacting with a smart contract deployed on the Oasis Devnet." Trusting a smart contract with your location data sure sounds like one of those ideas that'll end perfectly. Again, not an actual app, just some demoware. Everything else on the awesome-dapps list are educational resources—books, tutorials, blog posts—not actual examples of functioning dapps. If these are the awesome dapps, one dare not ask what the bad ones are like.
- hunterb123 5y ago
  Wow, you have some really selective reading if those are the only apps you saw. awesome-dapps is the smallest list, check out the ones below since you seemed to miss them: https://github.com/gdamdam/awesome-decentralized-web https://github.com/gdamdam/awesome-decentralized-web https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet

_zllx 5y ago

I wish I could be this positive and resourceful on this topic. It just gives me the urge to write a passive-aggressive tirade against the unfounded (almost manufactured) hate against this powerful technology. Nobody is putting it back in the box, no matter how many years they spend whining on their ironically named "dunning-kruger" blogs. Dammit, there I go again. I could go on for 12 more paragraphs but I'll cut it short here.

user-the-name 5y ago
None of it is unfounded or manufactured. If you think it is, you are blinding yourself to some pretty obvious truth that you do not want to believe in.

sagarm 5y ago

I am genuinely curious on useful applications for a decentralized ledger, so I skimmed this linkdump. > https://github.com/OffcierCia/DeFi-Developer-Road-Map https://github.com/OffcierCia/DeFi-Developer-Road-Map Background and development information, no applications. This link, by itself, has a massive number of links. > https://github.com/bkrem/awesome-solidity https://github.com/bkrem/awesome-solidity This links is later duplicated, but is also mostly background and developer information. There is one section titled "deployed on Ethereum mainnet" which seems to be mostly dev tools again - rarity, an MMO (example UI: https://raritymmo.com/ https://raritymmo.com/). That's kind of cool, if unlikely to be monetizable. - ronin, a sidechain implementation to support another game called "Axie Infinity". > https://github.com/bekatom/awesome-ethereum https://github.com/bekatom/awesome-ethereum Another giant linkfarm. Has a "DAPPS" section. Again mostly dev tools or tools for interacting with Ethereum itself, but a few things that look like applications: - a decentralized crowdfunding platform: err, doesn't the money eventually go to a particular endpoint? What's the point of decentralizing this. - zeronet decentralized websites: bitcoin doesn't provide compute infrastructure or a high-bandwidth distribution mechanism (bittorrent is used for this), so...what does this actually _do_? auth can be handled by TLS. - augur: platform for prediction markets. interesting idea, but ... ultimately the actual result has to be certified? I'm out of time but in general I haven't seen a simple example of what problems a decentralized ledger solves, ignoring all the technical issues like energy use and 51% attacks.

hunterb123 5y ago
> That's kind of cool, if unlikely to be monetizable. That's not a bad thing, but it isn't true anyway, you literally login with your wallet. Virtual currencies are banned on Stripe, PayPal etc. MMOs are how I got into crypto in the first place. > I am genuinely curious on useful applications. I was sharing "awesome" lists related to "web3", not a list of apps to support some argument you want to have about "energy use" or "51% attacks". Since this is a forum that has developers on it, a list of resources and roadmap for developers interested in getting started in web3 is useful, is it not? And yes, awesome lists are "link dumps", nice connotation twist. Here's more geared towards your "genuine curiosity" of web3 apps: https://github.com/gdamdam/awesome-decentralized-web https://github.com/gdamdam/awesome-decentralized-web https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet https://github.com/jasonwalsh/awesome-dapps https://github.com/jasonwalsh/awesome-dapps

user-the-name 5y ago

> the bias is comical and the talking points are recycled as a new article every week (scams!, speculation!, hype!, wasted electricity!, tether!) There is a very strong bias towards the truth, yes.

hunterb123 5y ago
That's the equivalent of "yes-huh". Your truth is not reality. If you really want to argue this, please at least have something of substance.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  Unfortunately, my truth is reality. It is not really my problem that you have yet to realise this.
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    Okay, when you have a reality you can put into words please feel free bring it to the table.
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      Why? People are doing it all the time, and you are rejecting them outright. Why should I bother to do the same when the last hundred times, you would not listen?
      - hunterb123 5y ago
        Simply asking you to pick your favorite critique and defend it. Unless you're just parroting others and you don't have a view? I cannot prove a negative, or in this case an undefined, you need to present an issue to debate.
        user-the-name 5y ago

lawtalkinghuman 5y ago

I took a look at "awesome-dapps" to see if there were indeed any awesome dapps that I could try. OpenBazaar - Closed Jan 4, 2021. https://twitter.com/openbazaar/status/1346104369566121986 https://twitter.com/openbazaar/status/1346104369566121986 SafeMarket - the getting started link says it's alpha, tells you to go to the subreddit, which is closed. The GitHub repo last had a commit in 2016. Livepeer - a video streaming service that has no actual evidence on the website of anyone actually using it to stream any content. All the videos they have up on the Livepeer website about Livepeer... are hosted on YouTube. All the discussion I see of it on Twitter and their subreddit is about which exchanges the coin is listed on and the likelihood of it going to the moon etc. The actual utility in transcoding seems secondary to the speculative value of the token. CryptoPunks - I hope the person who paid $23 million is happy with their purchase. Thousand Ether Homepage - old school web nostalgia. Okay that's nice I guess. "An open source sample iOS dApp that demonstrates a practical use-case in biomedical research: sharing location data by interacting with a smart contract deployed on the Oasis Devnet." Trusting a smart contract with your location data sure sounds like one of those ideas that'll end perfectly. Again, not an actual app, just some demoware. Everything else on the awesome-dapps list are educational resources—books, tutorials, blog posts—not actual examples of functioning dapps. If these are the awesome dapps, one dare not ask what the bad ones are like.

hunterb123 5y ago
Wow, you have some really selective reading if those are the only apps you saw. awesome-dapps is the smallest list, check out the ones below since you seemed to miss them: https://github.com/gdamdam/awesome-decentralized-web https://github.com/gdamdam/awesome-decentralized-web https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet