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This should be required reading for low level engineers, along with the Itanium C++ ABI.

by asguy 5y ago

guerrilla 5y ago
> Itanium C++ ABI Are you being sarcastic? Why would that be relevant? Linux uses the System V ABI...
- fbkr 5y ago
  Have you checked section 9.1 of the System V ABI doc?
  - guerrilla 5y ago
    I literally skipped that when I read it. Wow, would not have guessed.
- jcranmer 5y ago
  The Itanium C++ ABI, despite its name, is a cross-architecture ABI for C++ that's basically used by every C++ compiler except for MSVC [1], although the details in exception handling do vary a little bit more. Historically, C++ compilers all did their own thing with C++ ABIs. When Intel was pushing Itanium hard, they wanted to avoid incompatibility issues, so they created a standardized ABI for all the C++ vendors on Itanium to agree on. Later, g++ needed to revise its internal ABI for various reasons, and given that it already supported the Itanium ABI for Itanium, they opted to extend the ABI definition to all architectures rather than create their own. Since then, all the major compilers [sans MSVC] have adopted the Itanium ABI for C++ cross-architecture, and it's still maintained today despite Itanium processors themselves no longer receiving that maintenance. It's really at the point now that if you say "Itanium ABI," people will assume you're talking about the cross-architecture C++ ABI and not the Itanium-specific processor ABI for any OS. [1] The MSVC ABI is not officially documented publicly, and given some of the bugs in MSVC found when Clang was attempting to reverse engineer it, I'm dubious that Microsoft itself has any internal documentation either. Note that g++ on Windows will use the Itanium C++ ABI instead of the MSVC ABI.
  - muricula 5y ago
    Here's an internal ABI doc which escaped Redmond at one point: http://www.openrce.org/articles/files/jangrayhood.pdf http://www.openrce.org/articles/files/jangrayhood.pdf I believe there were other ABI docs but the official version of that was what I was given.
- mhh__ 5y ago
  Maybe you have some reading to do

This should be required reading for low level engineers, along with the Itanium C++ ABI.

by asguy 5y ago

This should be required reading for low level engineers, along with the Itanium C++ ABI.

guerrilla 5y ago

> Itanium C++ ABI Are you being sarcastic? Why would that be relevant? Linux uses the System V ABI...

fbkr 5y ago
Have you checked section 9.1 of the System V ABI doc?
- guerrilla 5y ago
  I literally skipped that when I read it. Wow, would not have guessed.
jcranmer 5y ago
The Itanium C++ ABI, despite its name, is a cross-architecture ABI for C++ that's basically used by every C++ compiler except for MSVC [1], although the details in exception handling do vary a little bit more. Historically, C++ compilers all did their own thing with C++ ABIs. When Intel was pushing Itanium hard, they wanted to avoid incompatibility issues, so they created a standardized ABI for all the C++ vendors on Itanium to agree on. Later, g++ needed to revise its internal ABI for various reasons, and given that it already supported the Itanium ABI for Itanium, they opted to extend the ABI definition to all architectures rather than create their own. Since then, all the major compilers [sans MSVC] have adopted the Itanium ABI for C++ cross-architecture, and it's still maintained today despite Itanium processors themselves no longer receiving that maintenance. It's really at the point now that if you say "Itanium ABI," people will assume you're talking about the cross-architecture C++ ABI and not the Itanium-specific processor ABI for any OS. [1] The MSVC ABI is not officially documented publicly, and given some of the bugs in MSVC found when Clang was attempting to reverse engineer it, I'm dubious that Microsoft itself has any internal documentation either. Note that g++ on Windows will use the Itanium C++ ABI instead of the MSVC ABI.
- muricula 5y ago
  Here's an internal ABI doc which escaped Redmond at one point: http://www.openrce.org/articles/files/jangrayhood.pdf http://www.openrce.org/articles/files/jangrayhood.pdf I believe there were other ABI docs but the official version of that was what I was given.
mhh__ 5y ago
Maybe you have some reading to do