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Sweden. I've never needed a car and live 50km from a city. The only people that need cars are those that literally live in the middle of the forest or need them

Sweden. I've never needed a car and live 50km from a city. The only people that need cars are those that literally live in the middle of the forest or need them for work.

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geodel 5y ago
Well in New York people commute this much distance. And even I lived about 25-30 miles from Washington DC without car. Is it applicable to whole USA that's the point.
- guerrilla 5y ago
  Sorry, when I said city, I meant one with 60,000 people. The nearest city of the kind you're thinking is 5-6 hours away.
eckesicle 5y ago
That's certainly NOT generalisable to Sweden as a whole. Rural Sweden is definitely not accessible by public transport as a whole.
- guerrilla 5y ago
  Has never been a problem in either Blekinge or Kalmar... almost every village has a bus line. I specifically excluded "literally living in the woods" though.
  - ionicgiraffe 5y ago
    But what about the time an planning of using public transport vs car?
    - guerrilla 5y ago
      A bus comes by my house every hour, sometimes more often. Why would you need more granularity than that? And if you really did, you could still rent a car, truck, hire a taxi or rideshare, or whatever...
      - haliskerbas 5y ago
        You have an appointment at 10:00am, it’s 20mins away by car, 30mins away by bus and 90 minutes long. To take the bus you get ready and wait by 9am. Get to the place at 9:30am, wait until 10:00am for the appointment, and hopefully it doesn’t run late and let’s you take the 12:00pm bus to get home by 12:30. There goes 4 hours for a 90 minute appointment. With a car this same round trip could be done in 2.5hours ish, and you could make other stops along the way. Granularity is important, and some places are coincidentally structured to be more difficult to survive in, the poorer you are.
        guerrilla 5y ago
        This is very contrived. I've never in 20 years had such a problem. Don't make appointments for yourself that are extremely inconvenient... and of course you could do other things while you're in town.
        inglor_cz 5y ago
        I have had such problems, and I live in a village 10 km from Prague. Gaps in bus schedules can be very uncomfortable, and you often get no choice scheduling the important appointments such as a CT scan; you will be happy to get any at all.
        ionicgiraffe 5y ago
        What? When you make an appointment for something you need to have done you cannot control the time you are going to be given for the appointment... It is unavoidable, and even more, the lower in the food chain you are the less control you have over it: you cannot call a more expensive but more convenient service, you cannot choose to be diagnosed by a private doctor instead of accepting the time given by the subsidized service, and so on, moving out is not possible because you can't pay to move your stuff. Poverty traps you in ways you will only understand once you experience it.

Sweden. I've never needed a car and live 50km from a city. The only people that need cars are those that literally live in the middle of the forest or need them for work.

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geodel 5y ago

Well in New York people commute this much distance. And even I lived about 25-30 miles from Washington DC without car. Is it applicable to whole USA that's the point.

guerrilla 5y ago
Sorry, when I said city, I meant one with 60,000 people. The nearest city of the kind you're thinking is 5-6 hours away.

eckesicle 5y ago

That's certainly NOT generalisable to Sweden as a whole. Rural Sweden is definitely not accessible by public transport as a whole.

guerrilla 5y ago
Has never been a problem in either Blekinge or Kalmar... almost every village has a bus line. I specifically excluded "literally living in the woods" though.
- ionicgiraffe 5y ago
  But what about the time an planning of using public transport vs car?
  - guerrilla 5y ago
    A bus comes by my house every hour, sometimes more often. Why would you need more granularity than that? And if you really did, you could still rent a car, truck, hire a taxi or rideshare, or whatever...
    - haliskerbas 5y ago
      You have an appointment at 10:00am, it’s 20mins away by car, 30mins away by bus and 90 minutes long. To take the bus you get ready and wait by 9am. Get to the place at 9:30am, wait until 10:00am for the appointment, and hopefully it doesn’t run late and let’s you take the 12:00pm bus to get home by 12:30. There goes 4 hours for a 90 minute appointment. With a car this same round trip could be done in 2.5hours ish, and you could make other stops along the way. Granularity is important, and some places are coincidentally structured to be more difficult to survive in, the poorer you are.
      - guerrilla 5y ago
        This is very contrived. I've never in 20 years had such a problem. Don't make appointments for yourself that are extremely inconvenient... and of course you could do other things while you're in town.
        inglor_cz 5y ago
        I have had such problems, and I live in a village 10 km from Prague. Gaps in bus schedules can be very uncomfortable, and you often get no choice scheduling the important appointments such as a CT scan; you will be happy to get any at all.
        ionicgiraffe 5y ago
        What? When you make an appointment for something you need to have done you cannot control the time you are going to be given for the appointment... It is unavoidable, and even more, the lower in the food chain you are the less control you have over it: you cannot call a more expensive but more convenient service, you cannot choose to be diagnosed by a private doctor instead of accepting the time given by the subsidized service, and so on, moving out is not possible because you can't pay to move your stuff. Poverty traps you in ways you will only understand once you experience it.