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This action alone should make FDR go down as one of the worst presidents in US history, yet many people still consider this monster great. There are some action

by choko 5y ago

This action alone should make FDR go down as one of the worst presidents in US history, yet many people still consider this monster great. There are some actions that cannot be washed away no matter how many other good deeds you may have done.

pinephoneguy 5y ago
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- quickthrowman 5y ago
  Yes, the Axis powers were clearly the good guys. Industrialized genocide was good and not bad. I have no idea how you can even begin to defend your statement, it’s absolutely ridiculous if you know the horrors that took place during WWII. Yes, I know the Allies firebombed Dresden and lots of Japanese cities. Japan and Germany did unconscionable things, the Holocaust and Rape of Nanking/Unit 731 were far beyond what the US or other Allies did. Everyone has blood on their hands in a war, but some have more than others.
Jeema101 5y ago
Sadly, the reason he was able to do it because it was a popular policy among the majority of the population [1] [1] "The American public overwhelmingly approved of the Japanese-American internment measures and as a result, they were seldom opposed" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...
- rgrieselhuber 5y ago
  And yet so many still think simple democracy is a good idea.
adingus 5y ago
How do you define an "action that cannot be washed away no matter how many other good deeds you may have done"? Because I don't think anyone will ever be able to dispute you unless people can agree on a definition.
panick21_ 5y ago
WW2 saved FDR legacy hard. His economic policy had been absolute failures, no matter how much they have been hyped up since. After 8 years of his presidency the US was still/again in depression and had not really emerged from it. While literally every other nations in the world had many years ago started to grow again. FDR policy like the NRA were some of the most horrible and nonsensical invasion of the US economy ever attempted and were overwhelmingly counter productive. What saved him early on was to get of the gold standard and that policy was already in planning from Hoover. After the US went of the gold standard the fast 3 month recovery in the history of the US happened (faster then even the 1921 recovery) but the from the moment the NRA was established growth was essentially halted. He then made a massive about turn before WW2. He kicked most the idiot communist and fascist sympathizers from his service and hired people who actually knew what they were talking about economically speaking. He embraced business where before he was hostile. And thankfully he did before he could return back to his pre-war policies leading to the economic miracles in the 50/60s. That said, I think he made a number of very bad mistakes during the war. The internment of Japanese Americans being one of them. The other being the unconditional totally over the top support for the Soviet Union. While help for to prevent Soviet collapse specially in 1941 maybe 1943 was warranted, the amount of power Soviet agents had in the US to command the US economy was frankly insane. And for that gigantic amount of effort almost no political concessions were asked for. During the whole war in fact, did the Soviets hold captive Americans. Like literally in prison camps where many of them died. Not even did the US asked them to be freed. Almost every possible military and industrial secret was opened up to the Soviets. The Soviets were not only able to order the most advanced chemicals like lubricants, explosives, but also whole production facilities and the tools to set them up. The dominate position of the Soviets Post-WW2 is in not insignificant parts because of FDR unconditional support for them. Even Churchill who had turned incredibly pro Soviet at times thought FDR was going to far to please Stalin. And Stalin didn't appreciate it at all and responded to every sign of good will with even more absurd demands. Its fair to say that Stalin played FDR like fiddle.

by choko 5y ago

pinephoneguy 5y ago

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quickthrowman 5y ago
Yes, the Axis powers were clearly the good guys. Industrialized genocide was good and not bad. I have no idea how you can even begin to defend your statement, it’s absolutely ridiculous if you know the horrors that took place during WWII. Yes, I know the Allies firebombed Dresden and lots of Japanese cities. Japan and Germany did unconscionable things, the Holocaust and Rape of Nanking/Unit 731 were far beyond what the US or other Allies did. Everyone has blood on their hands in a war, but some have more than others.

Jeema101 5y ago

Sadly, the reason he was able to do it because it was a popular policy among the majority of the population [1] [1] "The American public overwhelmingly approved of the Japanese-American internment measures and as a result, they were seldom opposed" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...

rgrieselhuber 5y ago
And yet so many still think simple democracy is a good idea.

adingus 5y ago

How do you define an "action that cannot be washed away no matter how many other good deeds you may have done"? Because I don't think anyone will ever be able to dispute you unless people can agree on a definition.

panick21_ 5y ago

WW2 saved FDR legacy hard. His economic policy had been absolute failures, no matter how much they have been hyped up since. After 8 years of his presidency the US was still/again in depression and had not really emerged from it. While literally every other nations in the world had many years ago started to grow again. FDR policy like the NRA were some of the most horrible and nonsensical invasion of the US economy ever attempted and were overwhelmingly counter productive. What saved him early on was to get of the gold standard and that policy was already in planning from Hoover. After the US went of the gold standard the fast 3 month recovery in the history of the US happened (faster then even the 1921 recovery) but the from the moment the NRA was established growth was essentially halted. He then made a massive about turn before WW2. He kicked most the idiot communist and fascist sympathizers from his service and hired people who actually knew what they were talking about economically speaking. He embraced business where before he was hostile. And thankfully he did before he could return back to his pre-war policies leading to the economic miracles in the 50/60s. That said, I think he made a number of very bad mistakes during the war. The internment of Japanese Americans being one of them. The other being the unconditional totally over the top support for the Soviet Union. While help for to prevent Soviet collapse specially in 1941 maybe 1943 was warranted, the amount of power Soviet agents had in the US to command the US economy was frankly insane. And for that gigantic amount of effort almost no political concessions were asked for. During the whole war in fact, did the Soviets hold captive Americans. Like literally in prison camps where many of them died. Not even did the US asked them to be freed. Almost every possible military and industrial secret was opened up to the Soviets. The Soviets were not only able to order the most advanced chemicals like lubricants, explosives, but also whole production facilities and the tools to set them up. The dominate position of the Soviets Post-WW2 is in not insignificant parts because of FDR unconditional support for them. Even Churchill who had turned incredibly pro Soviet at times thought FDR was going to far to please Stalin. And Stalin didn't appreciate it at all and responded to every sign of good will with even more absurd demands. Its fair to say that Stalin played FDR like fiddle.