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There are no laws in Israel preventing companies like NSO from building and selling zero-day and zero-click exploits? Without proper regulations the Israeli gov

by pyman 5y ago

There are no laws in Israel preventing companies like NSO from building and selling zero-day and zero-click exploits? Without proper regulations the Israeli government is creating a sophisticated and dangerous platform for these kind of illegal attacks.

markdown 5y ago
Israel are arguably the worlds biggest beneficiary of the arms trade. Why would they have anything against selling weapons?
- recuter 5y ago
  Only in your active imagination. In reality it is roughly in 8th place with 3% marketshare. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/5-charts-that-reveal-the-state-of-the-global-arms-trade/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/5-charts-that-reveal-...
  - lupire 5y ago
    Now try that analysis per capita.
  - kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
    That doesn't include the free weapons the US gives them with their annual stipend.
  - markdown 5y ago
    According to that link, it's #1 per capita. Add to this the enormous annual gifts from the US, and you'll find that I'm correct. Per capita, they're the biggest beneficiaries of the arms trade, and the worlds largest arms dealer. I don't blame you for not seeing that though. The propaganda about Israel being in serious danger from stones and home made rockets is quite effective.
jraby3 5y ago
In the article it states that it’s illegal to sell to over 90 countries. But maybe resellers are getting it to these countries?
rmbyrro 5y ago
The Israeli government is exploiting NSO as a global diplomacy leverage. In exchange for approving the export of NSO software, they request foreign State support for their interests abroad, ranging from UN voting to commercial deals and anything in between.
- mastax 5y ago
  Essentially works like arms exports, which makes a lot of sense.
sva_ 5y ago
I don't think NSO is building & selling exploits. They're buying and renting them out. Exploit-as-a-service.
kworks 5y ago
A super reductive way of explaining it is it's because a lot of state actors (including NSA) have a lot of skin in the game through active, deep investment in the cyber weapon market. State actors strongly incentivize the 'attack' side of the market while companies historically disincentivize the 'defense' side. A solid elucidation of the system (for laypeople like me) can be found in Nicole Perlroth's book "This is How They Tell Me the World Ends": https://browse.nypl.org/iii/encore/record/C__Rb22352302__SThis%20Is%20How%20They%20Tell%20Me%20the%20World%20Ends%3A%20The%20Cyberweapons%20Arms%20Race__P0%2C1__Orightresult__U__X4?lang=eng&suite=def https://browse.nypl.org/iii/encore/record/C__Rb22352302__STh... Anyone interested in learning more about how NSO group operates can check out digitalviolence: https://www.digitalviolence.org/#/ https://www.digitalviolence.org/#/
tptacek 5y ago
What would outlawing NSO Group accomplish? The trade would simply move to jurisdictions with even less oversight.

by pyman 5y ago

markdown 5y ago

Israel are arguably the worlds biggest beneficiary of the arms trade. Why would they have anything against selling weapons?

recuter 5y ago
Only in your active imagination. In reality it is roughly in 8th place with 3% marketshare. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/5-charts-that-reveal-the-state-of-the-global-arms-trade/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/5-charts-that-reveal-...
- lupire 5y ago
  Now try that analysis per capita.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  That doesn't include the free weapons the US gives them with their annual stipend.
- markdown 5y ago
  According to that link, it's #1 per capita. Add to this the enormous annual gifts from the US, and you'll find that I'm correct. Per capita, they're the biggest beneficiaries of the arms trade, and the worlds largest arms dealer. I don't blame you for not seeing that though. The propaganda about Israel being in serious danger from stones and home made rockets is quite effective.

jraby3 5y ago

In the article it states that it’s illegal to sell to over 90 countries. But maybe resellers are getting it to these countries?

rmbyrro 5y ago

The Israeli government is exploiting NSO as a global diplomacy leverage. In exchange for approving the export of NSO software, they request foreign State support for their interests abroad, ranging from UN voting to commercial deals and anything in between.

mastax 5y ago
Essentially works like arms exports, which makes a lot of sense.

sva_ 5y ago

I don't think NSO is building & selling exploits. They're buying and renting them out. Exploit-as-a-service.

kworks 5y ago

A super reductive way of explaining it is it's because a lot of state actors (including NSA) have a lot of skin in the game through active, deep investment in the cyber weapon market. State actors strongly incentivize the 'attack' side of the market while companies historically disincentivize the 'defense' side. A solid elucidation of the system (for laypeople like me) can be found in Nicole Perlroth's book "This is How They Tell Me the World Ends": https://browse.nypl.org/iii/encore/record/C__Rb22352302__SThis%20Is%20How%20They%20Tell%20Me%20the%20World%20Ends%3A%20The%20Cyberweapons%20Arms%20Race__P0%2C1__Orightresult__U__X4?lang=eng&suite=def https://browse.nypl.org/iii/encore/record/C__Rb22352302__STh... Anyone interested in learning more about how NSO group operates can check out digitalviolence: https://www.digitalviolence.org/#/ https://www.digitalviolence.org/#/

tptacek 5y ago

What would outlawing NSO Group accomplish? The trade would simply move to jurisdictions with even less oversight.