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What kind of eugenics are you proposing? I know that the notion of eugenics has got a bad rap but I'm a bit concerned with your wording because it seems to ind
by Teever 5y ago
What kind of eugenics are you proposing? I know that the notion of eugenics has got a bad rap but I'm a bit concerned with your wording because it seems to indicate that you have in mind the kind of eugenics that gives the whole notion a bad rap.
When you say 'we could do some eugenics' do you mean the kind of top down, centrally planned by absurd edict shit that we saw from central Europe in the early 20th century that was influenced by North American culture that lingered well into the mid 20th century?[0]
Or do you mean the kind of self empowered eugenics of the late 20th century where women found themselves with newfound means to decide their reproduce destiny for themselves?
What are your thoughts on the burgeoning 21st century development where currently upperclass people are finding themselves in the economically viable position to select and potentially modify embryos for implantation?
How do you think that we as a society should bridge the gap between where we are now with eugenics and where we could be, and how does that tie into where you think we could go as a species either interplanetary or beyond?
[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provincial_Training_School https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provincial_Training_School
- sockpuppet69 5y ago
- AlexAltea 5y ago> eugenics has got a bad rap Mostly in Europe and North America, and territories culturally-influenced by them, largely as a side-effect of historical events 80 years ago. Other parts of the world have different opinions on the matter.
- Teever 5y agoI'm not sure what your reply either ads to or disputes of my original comment.
- AlexAltea 5y agoNeither. I just thought it opens an interesting question: What happens in the long run if some parts of the world embrace eugenics and gene therapy (in whatever form), while others do not, e.g. under ethical grounds or simply different priorities.
- mrexroad 5y agoSpace Seed and then, later, The Wrath of Khan.
- Teever 5y agoFurther class segmentation and ultimately speciation once populations have grown so far apart that they can no longer procreate. I can't recall the title of an Australian gov't commissioned paper on the subject but this was ultimately the conclusion. The paper also pointed out that domestic attempts to regulate these acts would ultimately be futile because people were already traveling abroad (specifically Italy) to seek out reproductive/eugenic services that were not legal in Australia.
- ben_w 5y agoMy expectation would be a similar result in humans to what we observe in all the non-humans we’ve been selectively breeding for eons. Vulnerable monocultures; hyper-optimisation for a specific trait (or many breeds each optimised for a different trait); morphology significantly different to the wild form, with fashion preferences leading to fundamental health issues that can only be fixed by altering the fashion (GSD hip dysplasia, pug squashed noses).
- Brian_K_White 5y agoSlaves that claim to like their slavery. People who have to buy RoundUp from Monsanto to keep breathing or to have kids etc. There is no limit to how bad this could go. And like pretty much any knowledge or technique, it will be developed and used, and so the only ways to head off the horror outcome is a combination of arbitrary legal declarations to just make some things illegal or at least pointless (not profitable), and open source, putting the same powers in the hands of individuals.
- baybal2 5y ago> in the early 20th century that was influenced by North American culture that lingered well into the mid 20th century?[0] Unfortunately, it lingers well into the 21st one too. Bug eugenics foundations went through few rounds of rebrandings, and are still there influencing politics.