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I'm not so sure; there are a fair number of counterexamples to that. Men have more body hair, more baldness, larger Adam's apple, but women aren't really attra

I'm not so sure; there are a fair number of counterexamples to that. Men have more body hair, more baldness, larger Adam's apple, but women aren't really attracted to any of those. Women are attracted to the male characteristics that correlate with reproductive fitness. That includes height and muscle, and a deep voice gets in there because it (accurately or not) projects a signal of strength and confidence.

mise_en_place 5y ago
In my anecdotal experience, low and slow is the name of the game. Take your time with speech and enunciate as much as possible. You will be amazed at how willing people are to follow you and obey without question.
- SamPatt 5y ago
  I find the same. I suspect having a large frame helps as well. I'm guessing there's some genetic hardwiring from our past that shows deference to outward signs of strength. Seems like a plausible survival mechanism.
ungamed 5y ago
> Men have more body hair, more baldness, larger Adam's apple, but women aren't > really attracted to any of those. Different attributes are attractive to different people. I don't imagine man women would 'actively' say they are attracted to these things due to society pressure but that doesn't mean its fundamentally untrue.
- dehrmann 5y ago
  I'm far from an expert on what women find attractive, but the burly man is one type I can picture women being attracted to. There are also a lot of bald men who make it work just fine.
brnt 5y ago
I have found that assumptions about what people are attracted to are almost certianly incorrect. Especially some of those stereotypical ones 'everyone knows'. Also, they're not really coupled to reproductive fitness. More fat tissue in breasts has no consequence for mamalian function. Male baldness is correlated with high testosterone, so theoretically positively correlated with fitness. And so on. As with so many human preferences, they're far more personal or cultural than we think.
- Yoric 5y ago
  > Also, they're not really coupled to reproductive fitness. More fat tissue in breasts has no consequence for mamalian function. It is my understanding that it was generally believed that large breasts meant more milk until the 1950s or so. So there may still be an element of truth in assuming that stereotypical male preference for large breast could be selecting for reproduction – just with a cultural bias. That being said, I generally agree with you. I know that I'm not attracted to the stereotype "everyone knows"/fashion model as a potential partner, far from it.
- emodendroket 5y ago
  I’m sure there are women out there who go wild for fat, short, bald men with a squeaky voice. But if we’re looking in the aggregate not so much.
  - brnt 5y ago
    For large populations, the average is not a very informative quantity. Sigma is, and it's far larger than 'common wisdom' implies.
spoiler 5y ago
I'm gay, and I'm definitely attracted to some of your counterexamples, apart from the Adam's apple size; I don't care for those.

mise_en_place 5y ago

In my anecdotal experience, low and slow is the name of the game. Take your time with speech and enunciate as much as possible. You will be amazed at how willing people are to follow you and obey without question.

SamPatt 5y ago
I find the same. I suspect having a large frame helps as well. I'm guessing there's some genetic hardwiring from our past that shows deference to outward signs of strength. Seems like a plausible survival mechanism.

ungamed 5y ago

> Men have more body hair, more baldness, larger Adam's apple, but women aren't > really attracted to any of those. Different attributes are attractive to different people. I don't imagine man women would 'actively' say they are attracted to these things due to society pressure but that doesn't mean its fundamentally untrue.

dehrmann 5y ago
I'm far from an expert on what women find attractive, but the burly man is one type I can picture women being attracted to. There are also a lot of bald men who make it work just fine.

brnt 5y ago

I have found that assumptions about what people are attracted to are almost certianly incorrect. Especially some of those stereotypical ones 'everyone knows'. Also, they're not really coupled to reproductive fitness. More fat tissue in breasts has no consequence for mamalian function. Male baldness is correlated with high testosterone, so theoretically positively correlated with fitness. And so on. As with so many human preferences, they're far more personal or cultural than we think.

Yoric 5y ago
> Also, they're not really coupled to reproductive fitness. More fat tissue in breasts has no consequence for mamalian function. It is my understanding that it was generally believed that large breasts meant more milk until the 1950s or so. So there may still be an element of truth in assuming that stereotypical male preference for large breast could be selecting for reproduction – just with a cultural bias. That being said, I generally agree with you. I know that I'm not attracted to the stereotype "everyone knows"/fashion model as a potential partner, far from it.
emodendroket 5y ago
I’m sure there are women out there who go wild for fat, short, bald men with a squeaky voice. But if we’re looking in the aggregate not so much.
- brnt 5y ago
  For large populations, the average is not a very informative quantity. Sigma is, and it's far larger than 'common wisdom' implies.

spoiler 5y ago

I'm gay, and I'm definitely attracted to some of your counterexamples, apart from the Adam's apple size; I don't care for those.