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What's the prospect of Amazon refusing to send packages to NSW now? They've boycotted Australia before I think they've just setup their airline to run out of

by lmpdev 5y ago

What's the prospect of Amazon refusing to send packages to NSW now? They've boycotted Australia before I think they've just setup their airline to run out of Brisbane Airport just over the NSW border in QLD (they were hiring a Chief Pilot on our local wanted ads in 2020)

Handytinge 5y ago
No worries. I doubt many people would give a rats. A large company closing doors is always a bit sucky, but I don't think Australians have any dependancy on Amazon.
ByteJockey 5y ago
I think it's doubtful that they refuse to send packages there. I could see them excluding the area from the normal time guarantee, or from free shipping or something. They send it via the normal postal service or you pay the extra for the higher priced service.
viraptor 5y ago
> They've boycotted Australia before That's good. If the choices are paying workers below minimum wage, or not selling in Australia... I hope they just don't sell/deliver in Australia. We're not really losing much that way. Or they could just do what everyone else is doing and use AusPost or curriers - also better than Amazon delivery taking over.
GlennS 5y ago
I'd guess that's not on the cards any more. Amazon has been building up in Australia over the last few years. I think most Australians aren't yet aware how much better online shopping is everywhere else, and my bet is Amazon is getting ready to crush the local competition.
- rightbyte 5y ago
  Amazon is not good online shopping though. It is an uncurated mess of drop-shippers with the low hanging fruit sold by Amazon them self. How is Amazon actually doing in places where they were not first movers?
  - ImaCake 5y ago
    I’ve used amazon in NSW and it’s the only time I’ve had an issue with online shopping. The package was empty! I had no easy recourse because the item was only about $25. Australians are used to using alternatives to Amazon, and I hope they continue to do so. Amazon’s awful treatment of workers has no place in Australia.
  - MomoXenosaga 5y ago
    Bol.com is the Dutch Amazon. They copied Amazon and started twenty years ago. They are even more efficient than Amazon and introduced third party sellers a few years ago. And so far they are quite successful in fighting off Amazon. Just goes to show Amazon is not unbeatable.
  - lozenge 5y ago
    Revealed preferences- Amazon is a very successful online shopping site. Amazon isn't drop shipping. Drop shipping is when the goods are sent straight from the manufacturer to the consumer. Most orders on Amazon are using Amazon Prime/fulfilled by Amazon meaning the goods (whether third party owned or Amazon owned) were stored in Amazon's warehouse before they were shipped to the costumer. Prime 2 day/1 day delivery would be impossible if the goods were dropshipped from Asia.
    - tomnipotent 5y ago
      > Drop shipping is when the goods are sent straight from the manufacturer to the consumer It just means another party besides the seller is fulfilling the order, such as any product on Amazon shipped by the marketplace seller.
      - AussieWog93 5y ago
        Ecommerce guy here! Dropshipping, specifically, means that the seller doesn't actually own any of the items they sell, and instead forwards any orders they receive to another business. This is of course very low-risk, as the seller doesn't tie up any of their own capital in a potentially bad product. Amazon's service, FBA, is an example of something similar called "third party fulfillment". In this arrangement, the seller physically owns the stock they sell, but contract out Amazon to store and ship it. The seller must put the money upfront to buy the products, and if it turns out to be a flop they eat a big loss.
- viraptor 5y ago
  It's not better. Screwing over suppliers, manipulating prices to get rid of smaller retailers, funneling people to choose a specific brand with bigger Amazon cut, listing endless variations of simple items from many "different" sellers, fake paid reviews, item listing takeovers, and many others issues make me choose direct sales over Amazon even where it's available.
cmroanirgo 5y ago
Considering their headquarters are in NSW and NSW has 8mil population, with over 64% in the Sydney region [0] which is roughly 1/3 of Australia's total population (25 mil), I think the answer is zero chance. https://www.nsw.gov.au/about-nsw/key-facts-about-nsw#toc-population https://www.nsw.gov.au/about-nsw/key-facts-about-nsw#toc-pop...
jpz 5y ago
Zero. They boycotted international shipments due sales tax changes, before they built local fulfilment centres and a local website.

by lmpdev 5y ago

Handytinge 5y ago

No worries. I doubt many people would give a rats. A large company closing doors is always a bit sucky, but I don't think Australians have any dependancy on Amazon.

ByteJockey 5y ago

I think it's doubtful that they refuse to send packages there. I could see them excluding the area from the normal time guarantee, or from free shipping or something. They send it via the normal postal service or you pay the extra for the higher priced service.

viraptor 5y ago

> They've boycotted Australia before That's good. If the choices are paying workers below minimum wage, or not selling in Australia... I hope they just don't sell/deliver in Australia. We're not really losing much that way. Or they could just do what everyone else is doing and use AusPost or curriers - also better than Amazon delivery taking over.

GlennS 5y ago

I'd guess that's not on the cards any more. Amazon has been building up in Australia over the last few years. I think most Australians aren't yet aware how much better online shopping is everywhere else, and my bet is Amazon is getting ready to crush the local competition.

rightbyte 5y ago
Amazon is not good online shopping though. It is an uncurated mess of drop-shippers with the low hanging fruit sold by Amazon them self. How is Amazon actually doing in places where they were not first movers?
- ImaCake 5y ago
  I’ve used amazon in NSW and it’s the only time I’ve had an issue with online shopping. The package was empty! I had no easy recourse because the item was only about $25. Australians are used to using alternatives to Amazon, and I hope they continue to do so. Amazon’s awful treatment of workers has no place in Australia.
- MomoXenosaga 5y ago
  Bol.com is the Dutch Amazon. They copied Amazon and started twenty years ago. They are even more efficient than Amazon and introduced third party sellers a few years ago. And so far they are quite successful in fighting off Amazon. Just goes to show Amazon is not unbeatable.
- lozenge 5y ago
  Revealed preferences- Amazon is a very successful online shopping site. Amazon isn't drop shipping. Drop shipping is when the goods are sent straight from the manufacturer to the consumer. Most orders on Amazon are using Amazon Prime/fulfilled by Amazon meaning the goods (whether third party owned or Amazon owned) were stored in Amazon's warehouse before they were shipped to the costumer. Prime 2 day/1 day delivery would be impossible if the goods were dropshipped from Asia.
  - tomnipotent 5y ago
    > Drop shipping is when the goods are sent straight from the manufacturer to the consumer It just means another party besides the seller is fulfilling the order, such as any product on Amazon shipped by the marketplace seller.
    - AussieWog93 5y ago
      Ecommerce guy here! Dropshipping, specifically, means that the seller doesn't actually own any of the items they sell, and instead forwards any orders they receive to another business. This is of course very low-risk, as the seller doesn't tie up any of their own capital in a potentially bad product. Amazon's service, FBA, is an example of something similar called "third party fulfillment". In this arrangement, the seller physically owns the stock they sell, but contract out Amazon to store and ship it. The seller must put the money upfront to buy the products, and if it turns out to be a flop they eat a big loss.
viraptor 5y ago
It's not better. Screwing over suppliers, manipulating prices to get rid of smaller retailers, funneling people to choose a specific brand with bigger Amazon cut, listing endless variations of simple items from many "different" sellers, fake paid reviews, item listing takeovers, and many others issues make me choose direct sales over Amazon even where it's available.

cmroanirgo 5y ago

Considering their headquarters are in NSW and NSW has 8mil population, with over 64% in the Sydney region [0] which is roughly 1/3 of Australia's total population (25 mil), I think the answer is zero chance. https://www.nsw.gov.au/about-nsw/key-facts-about-nsw#toc-population https://www.nsw.gov.au/about-nsw/key-facts-about-nsw#toc-pop...

jpz 5y ago

Zero. They boycotted international shipments due sales tax changes, before they built local fulfilment centres and a local website.