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Your assumption is more racist in my opinion. It sounds more classist to me, but I think that's just reality. Desperate people make desperate decisions, and the

Your assumption is more racist in my opinion. It sounds more classist to me, but I think that's just reality. Desperate people make desperate decisions, and their pro con list is different then middle and upper class.

micromacrofoot 5y ago
you might think it’s classist if you have no experience being subjected to it, it’s an incredibly pointed claim that has been used for decades… note that no one blames white “culture” when a white suprematist goes on a shooting rampage
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  It seems like at least part of what you are reacting to is blaming racial culture. I agree that is far too broad to be meaningful. Would you agree that part of the transgenerational cycle of poverty and crime involves family and community factors. I think this is true and spans genetic divisions. There are communities that are blighted in noneconomic ways that are difficult to address only with money.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    it seems more likely that factors like continued poverty and unfair policing and incarceration rates (minorities are both stopped more frequently and punished more severely) are to blame for both violence and the resulting culture, as these are things we have actual evidence for blaming culture and ignoring measurable factors is almost always lazy racism
    - s1artibartfast 5y ago
      I think you are missing my point. I specifically avoided blaming culture. If you magically fixed policing and hiring discrimination tomorrow, it would still take generations for blighted communities to overcome their current inertia. I am simply saying that additional factors exist and are relevant. Yes, we e have evidence that incarceration is detrimental to outcomes. We also have data that uneducated single parents are detrimental to outcomes. We also have data that criminal and drug addicted parents are detrimental to outcomes.

micromacrofoot 5y ago

you might think it’s classist if you have no experience being subjected to it, it’s an incredibly pointed claim that has been used for decades… note that no one blames white “culture” when a white suprematist goes on a shooting rampage

s1artibartfast 5y ago
It seems like at least part of what you are reacting to is blaming racial culture. I agree that is far too broad to be meaningful. Would you agree that part of the transgenerational cycle of poverty and crime involves family and community factors. I think this is true and spans genetic divisions. There are communities that are blighted in noneconomic ways that are difficult to address only with money.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  it seems more likely that factors like continued poverty and unfair policing and incarceration rates (minorities are both stopped more frequently and punished more severely) are to blame for both violence and the resulting culture, as these are things we have actual evidence for blaming culture and ignoring measurable factors is almost always lazy racism
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    I think you are missing my point. I specifically avoided blaming culture. If you magically fixed policing and hiring discrimination tomorrow, it would still take generations for blighted communities to overcome their current inertia. I am simply saying that additional factors exist and are relevant. Yes, we e have evidence that incarceration is detrimental to outcomes. We also have data that uneducated single parents are detrimental to outcomes. We also have data that criminal and drug addicted parents are detrimental to outcomes.