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As in anything, some middle-ground is where things generally sit. The no record available once the sentence is completed is fine until someone gets killed or t
by PedroBatista 5y ago
As in anything, some middle-ground is where things generally sit.
The no record available once the sentence is completed is fine until someone gets killed or their daughter raped by someone with extensive criminal record of things not related to murder or rape.
The unfortunate reality is, a certain type of people will continue to commit crimes all their life and many of them aren't even premeditated, it's a "it just happened" thing.
Having said that, a "no second chances for anyone" approach would have the same results as the secret records approach you described. IMO most of the crime problems are attached to the culture and their vicious cycles, but that's an ultra-radioactive topic and every discussion easily goes south, so, just another day I guess..
- micromacrofoot 5y agoBlaming "culture" for crime is a racist dog-whistle, and it's very rightly radioactive to talk about because there's almost no evidence to support it. Your opinion is rooted in stereotypes and you should investigate this more before continuing to jump to the culture conclusion.
- acrobatsunfish 5y agoYour assumption is more racist in my opinion. It sounds more classist to me, but I think that's just reality. Desperate people make desperate decisions, and their pro con list is different then middle and upper class.
- micromacrofoot 5y agoyou might think it’s classist if you have no experience being subjected to it, it’s an incredibly pointed claim that has been used for decades… note that no one blames white “culture” when a white suprematist goes on a shooting rampage
- s1artibartfast 5y agoIt seems like at least part of what you are reacting to is blaming racial culture. I agree that is far too broad to be meaningful. Would you agree that part of the transgenerational cycle of poverty and crime involves family and community factors. I think this is true and spans genetic divisions. There are communities that are blighted in noneconomic ways that are difficult to address only with money.
- micromacrofoot 5y agoit seems more likely that factors like continued poverty and unfair policing and incarceration rates (minorities are both stopped more frequently and punished more severely) are to blame for both violence and the resulting culture, as these are things we have actual evidence for blaming culture and ignoring measurable factors is almost always lazy racism
- s1artibartfast 5y agoI think you are missing my point. I specifically avoided blaming culture. If you magically fixed policing and hiring discrimination tomorrow, it would still take generations for blighted communities to overcome their current inertia. I am simply saying that additional factors exist and are relevant. Yes, we e have evidence that incarceration is detrimental to outcomes. We also have data that uneducated single parents are detrimental to outcomes. We also have data that criminal and drug addicted parents are detrimental to outcomes.
- betwixthewires 5y agoLet me ask you, do you think that white America's gun culture is partly responsible for violent crime in the US?
- micromacrofoot 5y agono because 99.99% of people aren’t walking into schools shooting people, the .01% doesn’t represent the entirety of culture… at best it represents how outliers with mental health issues don’t have access to mental health services
- betwixthewires 5y agoWell I'm glad you're intellectually consistent on that. I don't really think that accepting that cultural trends influence behavior, including violent and/or criminal behavior, is racist. Culture is influenced by environment, and culture influences behavior. To pin all criminal behavior on culture though is incorrect IMO.