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But EUV is a real thing and cleanly divides the haves and the have nots. While Intel 7 may have similar density to TSMC 7, there is a huge difference in the pro
by phkahler 5y ago
But EUV is a real thing and cleanly divides the haves and the have nots. While Intel 7 may have similar density to TSMC 7, there is a huge difference in the process and cost of making them. Intel will not go beyond that without EUV, and neither will anyone else.
- wmf 5y agoTo be clear, Intel 7 and TSMC N7 are both non-EUV processes. Later this year Intel 4 and TSMC N4, both using EUV, may be available.
- sylware 5y agoI wonder which EUV steppers they bought from ASML, the 100 millions ones or the new half of billion ones (don't think those EUV steppers are available yet).
- wmf 5y agoI think they ordered regular ones that are already installed and they also have some high-NA machines coming later.
- sylware 5y agoIt seems, from random stuff I read on internet, that even with current ASML EUV steppers, there is a lot of transistor size reduction possible. And with the high-NA improvement, we can expect even more. This is very good news for the 2/3 next generations of CPU/GPUs. We can "reasonably" expect "really" more, namely significantly faster/less power hungry of what we have now. But it seems we are missing foundries to scale for the worldwide demand, and many video game AAA studios (which will have the decency to provide builds for linux based OSes, meh). On the mobile front maybe some new radio modulation beyond 5G in order to properly use chips based on those new processes.