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I don't understand Microsoft's product strategy. The push for WSL, PowerToys, a new powerful Terminal, was obviously a ploy to attract developers after Apple's

I don't understand Microsoft's product strategy. The push for WSL, PowerToys, a new powerful Terminal, was obviously a ploy to attract developers after Apple's hardware (2016-2019) and software (2011-) decline. Now what? More telemetry, more cloud-as-default, required Microsoft accounts, Edge sabotaging Firefox and constantly making itself the default browser. I actually like Windows, I understand its flaws and how to configure it to get out of my way. But this is plain creepy. Why bother with all the "Microsoft ♥ Open Source" stuff? With VSCode? Their strategy makes no sense. I know they don't care about making money from Windows anymore, but surely they want to keep/attract power users and devs?

aplummer 5y ago
Misaligned incentives at the product management layer I guess: PM1: grow developer tools usage to get yearly bonus PM2: grow bing cash back usage to get yearly bonus
- concinds 5y ago
  Sure, but what about the DRI (does Microsoft have those?) for Windows? Surely he's signing off on all this?
  - SSLy 5y ago
    Bit late but no, one business unit makes the kernel, libraries, dev tools, frameworks, " ♥ 's Linux" (only on azure or in wsl though), the other makes the end user experience for Windows NT
    - concinds 5y ago
      Interesting; too bad. I like Windows so I keep hoping things will change. At this point all I can hope is that Windows 12 will reverse most of this.
npteljes 5y ago
>Why bother with all the "Microsoft ♥ Open Source" stuff? Well look at how many people are fooled. Appearances matter, not just matter, make and break an entity. So PR is ramped up to 11. Propaganda works even if, and in a certain case, especially if there are contradictions like that. >this is plain creepy Always has been. For one example, which was a major turnoff for me from Microsoft, was them pushing the idea of Trusted Computing, back in the mid 2000s. Always-on internet was getting widespread adoption, so they tinkered with the idea: what if we would always check the software's and files' authenticity, every time they are opened? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing Make no mistake, they're past the point where they need people to like them. With enough clout, all they (or any other large corporation) need to do is offer competitive prices while they retain their influence. The rest will take care of itself.

aplummer 5y ago

Misaligned incentives at the product management layer I guess: PM1: grow developer tools usage to get yearly bonus PM2: grow bing cash back usage to get yearly bonus

concinds 5y ago
Sure, but what about the DRI (does Microsoft have those?) for Windows? Surely he's signing off on all this?
- SSLy 5y ago
  Bit late but no, one business unit makes the kernel, libraries, dev tools, frameworks, " ♥ 's Linux" (only on azure or in wsl though), the other makes the end user experience for Windows NT
  - concinds 5y ago
    Interesting; too bad. I like Windows so I keep hoping things will change. At this point all I can hope is that Windows 12 will reverse most of this.

npteljes 5y ago

>Why bother with all the "Microsoft ♥ Open Source" stuff? Well look at how many people are fooled. Appearances matter, not just matter, make and break an entity. So PR is ramped up to 11. Propaganda works even if, and in a certain case, especially if there are contradictions like that. >this is plain creepy Always has been. For one example, which was a major turnoff for me from Microsoft, was them pushing the idea of Trusted Computing, back in the mid 2000s. Always-on internet was getting widespread adoption, so they tinkered with the idea: what if we would always check the software's and files' authenticity, every time they are opened? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing Make no mistake, they're past the point where they need people to like them. With enough clout, all they (or any other large corporation) need to do is offer competitive prices while they retain their influence. The rest will take care of itself.