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Pretty much. It's a basic story of teaching kids about unfairness and how to play nicely with each other. The hysteria in some of these comments is baffling.

drekipus 5y ago
But I think the issue is the reliance on "the system" to correct that for you. You can't build the best structure if the system doesn't like it You just wait for hand outs, the system will make it correct for you. In a non-ironic way, this sort of regulation came from ethic systems like a sense of community it the dreaded religion system (help the poor, tithe 10% gains for God) but are now being trained to be replaced by the mechanics of a political governance system. I think most conservatives take to the individual responsibility for this reason. One I personally subscribe to. (Edit: not sure why the downvotes? Sorry if I'm incorrect, just trying to feel out ideas)
- ertjaet 5y ago
  except the children made the system. they decided on the rules that would apply to them. there is no "system" beyond their own agreement!
  - drekipus 5y ago
    That's fine and would teach the kids about tyranny and how to overcome it. But isn't this about the teachers intervening? How are kids to fight against the teachers?
    - ertjaet 5y ago
      > would teach that's... what they did teach. > How are kids to fight against the teachers? why would the kids need to fight the teachers???
      - drekipus 5y ago
        > why would the kids need to fight the teachers??? Because humans aren't perfect and even children need to be able to be able to assert and stand up for themselves. Kid v adult would always lose, not sensible to do, yes. more of a chance if it's other kids. Hard to stand up against bullies if the bullies are 30 years your senior
    - munk-a 5y ago
      > But isn't this about the teachers intervening? How are kids to fight against the teachers? The teachers intervened in the situation (essentially issued an injunction) while organizing a forum to mediate a solution. Also, just to be clear, adults must be tyrants where children are concerned - you can't logically bargain with emotionally immature humans. Occasionally somebody is going to get sent to the car or a time out.
      - drekipus 5y ago
        > adults must be tyrants where children are concerned - you can't logically bargain with emotionally immature humans. Occasionally somebody is going to get sent to the car or a time out. Yes you're right. Perhaps my whole take is "it's not how i would have done it" & "is not the lessons I would be trying to teach." As someone who had to punch upwards to climb out of poverty, I'm trying to think how a young me would take this lesson. I probably wouldn't even really get it, I probably wouldn't have been able to be in this class. But if I were.. I just find it conflicting. I'd be interested in seeing where the kids are now and/ where they came from.
- fallingfrog 5y ago
  For Pete’s sake these are children. You can’t just let the big ones walk all over the little ones.
  - drekipus 5y ago
    That's what I'm saying! The children who are being walked on should be supported and given the ability to survive in their mini lego-world. If they're being walked on, but receive no help because "the system allows it" - what chance do they have?
    - munk-a 5y ago
      I think the issue is that, as an adult we can (sorta, financial necessities might make this infeasible) always choose to remove ourselves from a situation. In school yall folks are stuck with each other - and some of the kids literally can walk all other the others. Teaching bargaining will pay off dividends in these children's lives.
    - rdtwo 5y ago
      So teach them tools to use against the bigger stonger kids to get a bigger share. Those are the skills that are most valuable

drekipus 5y ago

But I think the issue is the reliance on "the system" to correct that for you. You can't build the best structure if the system doesn't like it You just wait for hand outs, the system will make it correct for you. In a non-ironic way, this sort of regulation came from ethic systems like a sense of community it the dreaded religion system (help the poor, tithe 10% gains for God) but are now being trained to be replaced by the mechanics of a political governance system. I think most conservatives take to the individual responsibility for this reason. One I personally subscribe to. (Edit: not sure why the downvotes? Sorry if I'm incorrect, just trying to feel out ideas)

ertjaet 5y ago
except the children made the system. they decided on the rules that would apply to them. there is no "system" beyond their own agreement!
- drekipus 5y ago
  That's fine and would teach the kids about tyranny and how to overcome it. But isn't this about the teachers intervening? How are kids to fight against the teachers?
  - ertjaet 5y ago
    > would teach that's... what they did teach. > How are kids to fight against the teachers? why would the kids need to fight the teachers???
    - drekipus 5y ago
      > why would the kids need to fight the teachers??? Because humans aren't perfect and even children need to be able to be able to assert and stand up for themselves. Kid v adult would always lose, not sensible to do, yes. more of a chance if it's other kids. Hard to stand up against bullies if the bullies are 30 years your senior
  - munk-a 5y ago
    > But isn't this about the teachers intervening? How are kids to fight against the teachers? The teachers intervened in the situation (essentially issued an injunction) while organizing a forum to mediate a solution. Also, just to be clear, adults must be tyrants where children are concerned - you can't logically bargain with emotionally immature humans. Occasionally somebody is going to get sent to the car or a time out.
    - drekipus 5y ago
      > adults must be tyrants where children are concerned - you can't logically bargain with emotionally immature humans. Occasionally somebody is going to get sent to the car or a time out. Yes you're right. Perhaps my whole take is "it's not how i would have done it" & "is not the lessons I would be trying to teach." As someone who had to punch upwards to climb out of poverty, I'm trying to think how a young me would take this lesson. I probably wouldn't even really get it, I probably wouldn't have been able to be in this class. But if I were.. I just find it conflicting. I'd be interested in seeing where the kids are now and/ where they came from.
fallingfrog 5y ago
For Pete’s sake these are children. You can’t just let the big ones walk all over the little ones.
- drekipus 5y ago
  That's what I'm saying! The children who are being walked on should be supported and given the ability to survive in their mini lego-world. If they're being walked on, but receive no help because "the system allows it" - what chance do they have?
  - munk-a 5y ago
    I think the issue is that, as an adult we can (sorta, financial necessities might make this infeasible) always choose to remove ourselves from a situation. In school yall folks are stuck with each other - and some of the kids literally can walk all other the others. Teaching bargaining will pay off dividends in these children's lives.
  - rdtwo 5y ago
    So teach them tools to use against the bigger stonger kids to get a bigger share. Those are the skills that are most valuable