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I don't want school to teach my children anything about beliefs or what the teachers/admins believe. I want school to teach my child art and language and facts,

I don't want school to teach my children anything about beliefs or what the teachers/admins believe. I want school to teach my child art and language and facts, and leave the beliefs to me.

crooked-v 5y ago
Serious question: do you feel that critical thinking is important and should be taught in schools? If so, consider how that itself is a "belief" that has at times been explicitly rejected by local political parties. In other words, there's no such thing as value-neutral education.
Inityx 5y ago
"Facts can be effectively taught without incorporating beliefs" is a sentiment held by people egregiously unaware of their own biases
- artificialLimbs 5y ago
  It's a good aim. It's not something you can necessarily encode in law.
michaelmrose 5y ago
Every environment teaches people implicit lessons about the people that create, run, and equally importantly populate the system. From my own experience in public school most of the life lessons on offer were kinda bad because the environment was defective and abusive and the people fucked up. The idea that its possible to get hundreds or thousands of people together and only teach facts is absolutely impossible.
- artificialLimbs 5y ago
  It's true, but it's a good aim.
ertjaet 5y ago
sure! facts like: - unfair power structures disproportionately harm those without power - including everyone in decisions about the allocation resources is an effective way to solve disparity - communities that form rules to govern themselves are more just and fair than communities where rules are formed by a minority
- artificialLimbs 5y ago
  1.)Does anyone contest that? 2.)I love all those places that have disparity solved. 3.)Does anyone contest that? If history and fables lend themselves to revealing these lessons through metaphor and tales of human struggle, the seeds for learning from them will be much more successful at growing than if the seeds are planted with a bludgeon. It would be nice if my school didn't treat my child like a mindless robot to be programmed and instead provided context with content.

I don't want school to teach my children anything about beliefs or what the teachers/admins believe. I want school to teach my child art and language and facts, and leave the beliefs to me.

crooked-v 5y ago

Serious question: do you feel that critical thinking is important and should be taught in schools? If so, consider how that itself is a "belief" that has at times been explicitly rejected by local political parties. In other words, there's no such thing as value-neutral education.

Inityx 5y ago

"Facts can be effectively taught without incorporating beliefs" is a sentiment held by people egregiously unaware of their own biases

artificialLimbs 5y ago
It's a good aim. It's not something you can necessarily encode in law.

michaelmrose 5y ago

Every environment teaches people implicit lessons about the people that create, run, and equally importantly populate the system. From my own experience in public school most of the life lessons on offer were kinda bad because the environment was defective and abusive and the people fucked up. The idea that its possible to get hundreds or thousands of people together and only teach facts is absolutely impossible.

artificialLimbs 5y ago
It's true, but it's a good aim.

ertjaet 5y ago

sure! facts like: - unfair power structures disproportionately harm those without power - including everyone in decisions about the allocation resources is an effective way to solve disparity - communities that form rules to govern themselves are more just and fair than communities where rules are formed by a minority

artificialLimbs 5y ago
1.)Does anyone contest that? 2.)I love all those places that have disparity solved. 3.)Does anyone contest that? If history and fables lend themselves to revealing these lessons through metaphor and tales of human struggle, the seeds for learning from them will be much more successful at growing than if the seeds are planted with a bludgeon. It would be nice if my school didn't treat my child like a mindless robot to be programmed and instead provided context with content.