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> How could a prison system ever really do that? It's a punishment. Reading this, I'd bet £1000 to spat out sweet you are US-American? Because elsewhere, most
by GoodbyeMrChips 5y ago
> How could a prison system ever really do that? It's a punishment.
Reading this, I'd bet £1000 to spat out sweet you are US-American?
Because elsewhere, most of the civilised world treats prison as rehabilitation.
- fennecfoxen 5y agoI'm quite curious: who counts as 'civilized' these days? Clearly not the UAE (we've just seen an article on Dubai debtors prisons on these pages) but it seems we'd need to take Japan off the list, for instance (see e.g. https://www.economist.com/asia/2015/12/03/silent-screams https://www.economist.com/asia/2015/12/03/silent-screams ) and if we have to take them off the list I'm not sure where we end up stopping
- Lio 5y agoThe Netherland seems like a good bet. I look with envy at how they do a lot of things.
- eyelidlessness 5y agoApart from the pissing contest of who has a better penal system, can anyone in this discussion show that there’s a system to imprison people which parts people with their strongly held moral beliefs and should do so?
- staticassertion 5y agoI would assume that in most countries rehabilitation is seen the same way as here in the US. It focuses on the top causes for crimes - lack of education, lack of opportunity. So there are rehabilitation programs that educate people and help place them in work programs. I would assume that rehabilitation does not focus on changing people's ideological values. Am I wrong? Is that a thing in other countries?
- Retric 5y agoVery much so, de-radicalization in prisons is at least attempted in many places. Here is a look at EU’s approach which varies quite widely. https://iris.unito.it/retrieve/handle/2318/1720819/557443/Prison%20de-radicalization%20strategies.pdf https://iris.unito.it/retrieve/handle/2318/1720819/557443/Pr...
- eyelidlessness 5y agoGenerally rehabilitating beliefs is associated with authoritarian regimes (reeducation camps) or abuse (claiming to cure innate characteristics that others find inconvenient like sexuality or disability)
- nootropicat 5y ago>most of the civilised world treats prison as rehabilitation. Few countries in Western and/or Northern Europe? That's a very narrow definition.
- narag 5y agoThere are actually three different justifications for prison: * Retribution ("a punishment") * General prevention ("a jailed person cannot keep hurting others and prison threat is a deterrent") * Special prevention (rehabilitation) Last time I looked, most countries are mostly for general prevention with a pinch of special prevention. Retribution is not currently defensible philosofically or technically, though some people errounesly think it's the basis of the system.
- bidirectional 5y agoPresuming because of your use of pounds: do you seriously think our prison system is particularly rehabilitative?
- rootusrootus 5y ago> most of the civilised world Even without the spelling or the previous reference to GBP, I could have guessed nationality from your tone.