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Here's one: Linux is better. A lot better. If you are worried about gaming or other apps, Win7 won't be much better than Linux (won't have latest DirectX or an

by larrik 5y ago

Here's one: Linux is better. A lot better. If you are worried about gaming or other apps, Win7 won't be much better than Linux (won't have latest DirectX or anything), and may end up far worse by then.

causi 5y ago
I've dual-booted Linux for many years now but I can never get fully comfortable. I always get the creeping sensation that there's too many layers between what I'm seeing and what the computer is doing, like some button will just stop working and there's no way for me to ever figure out why, or I'll hit some truly baffling design choice and the only way to change it is to throw out my whole configuration and use a different distro.
- larrik 5y ago
  I feel that way after being on OSX for a year. At least on Linux you can access the magical underpinnings. OSX and Windows have all the same problems to me and far less ability to fix them.
  - Underphil 5y ago
    Yep. Every OS has abstractions, but with Windows you can't see them. It works great 99.9% of the time but the 0.1% leaves you high and dry.
- progman32 5y ago
  I get that feeling with Windows, especially with the "tweaks" such as this one MS likes to do as of late. Can't say I like computers these days.
- selfhoster11 5y ago
  Windows feels similarly, but it's more that the OS contains a malevolent presence that's watching your every move and waiting for you to slip up. All so it can steal a little bit more of your sanity/privacy by exposing yet another bit of data, or restricting yet another option, or resetting yet another default until you're tired of changing it and leave it on factory settings.
grishka 5y ago
Desktop linux is as much of an incoherent, barely working mess as it has always been.
- larrik 5y ago
  I strongly disagree.
  - grishka 5y ago
    https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.t...
    - Underphil 5y ago
      Posting someone else's single opinion to back up your own is no less anecdotal than your original post. Whilst I'm not accusing you of this specifically, I have noticed a trend toward folks being so ingrained in the 'Windows way' that anything else is broken if it doesn't act the same. I was the same way for a long time. Started using Windows in 1994 and when I found Linux for myself, I just got angry that it wasn't working the same way Windows did. Took 10 years or more to realise that is a good thing. Either way, I don't need to read that article. It works well for me and countless others, better than Windows ever did. Can it improve? Of course it can, drastically. But so can Windows, MacOS, BSD and everything else.
      - itvision 5y ago
        So far "Linux works well for you and countless others" but almost all these people fall under the category of IT specialists or people with a high IQ. There are many anecdotal stories how Windows doesn't work but considering a majority of organizations run Windows (and we are talking about literally hundreds of millions of users) just fine with little to no maintenance while Linux is nowhere to be seen, speaks volumes about the validity and the breadth of your statement. BTW, what's the decent alternatives for AD, GPO, CIFS and something as simple as MSTSC/RDP in Linux/GNU? Pretty much none? Just don't talk about LDAP, SSH, NFS and VNC. There are nowhere near in terms of features and simplicity. 99.9% of people on Earth won't be able to configure them let along install them. I could continue for hours about the things Linux distros are lacking. When talking about tech and IT it is pertinent to look beyond one's nose. Linux works for me as well. How much time have I spent fixing its bugs and quirks? A hundred times more than reinstalling Windows. How many issues have you helped solve in the Linux kernel? Zero? I'm over a dozen now. Some of them took literally tens of hours of painful debugging. There's just one OS where Linux indeed works: Android. Only Android doesn't use the vanilla Linux kernel. Only Android runs on very specific devices. And the Android userspace has/uses zero GNU components. "Linux works". LMAO.
dimgl 5y ago
Linux as a desktop workstation is not better. Not even close. It's a barely working mess, and a majority of applications don't work on it. And good luck doing any kind of game development on it using something like Unity or Unreal Engine; that is the stuff of nightmares.
MrStonedOne 5y ago

by larrik 5y ago

causi 5y ago

I've dual-booted Linux for many years now but I can never get fully comfortable. I always get the creeping sensation that there's too many layers between what I'm seeing and what the computer is doing, like some button will just stop working and there's no way for me to ever figure out why, or I'll hit some truly baffling design choice and the only way to change it is to throw out my whole configuration and use a different distro.

larrik 5y ago
I feel that way after being on OSX for a year. At least on Linux you can access the magical underpinnings. OSX and Windows have all the same problems to me and far less ability to fix them.
- Underphil 5y ago
  Yep. Every OS has abstractions, but with Windows you can't see them. It works great 99.9% of the time but the 0.1% leaves you high and dry.
progman32 5y ago
I get that feeling with Windows, especially with the "tweaks" such as this one MS likes to do as of late. Can't say I like computers these days.
selfhoster11 5y ago
Windows feels similarly, but it's more that the OS contains a malevolent presence that's watching your every move and waiting for you to slip up. All so it can steal a little bit more of your sanity/privacy by exposing yet another bit of data, or restricting yet another option, or resetting yet another default until you're tired of changing it and leave it on factory settings.

grishka 5y ago

Desktop linux is as much of an incoherent, barely working mess as it has always been.

larrik 5y ago
I strongly disagree.
- grishka 5y ago
  https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.t...
  - Underphil 5y ago
    Posting someone else's single opinion to back up your own is no less anecdotal than your original post. Whilst I'm not accusing you of this specifically, I have noticed a trend toward folks being so ingrained in the 'Windows way' that anything else is broken if it doesn't act the same. I was the same way for a long time. Started using Windows in 1994 and when I found Linux for myself, I just got angry that it wasn't working the same way Windows did. Took 10 years or more to realise that is a good thing. Either way, I don't need to read that article. It works well for me and countless others, better than Windows ever did. Can it improve? Of course it can, drastically. But so can Windows, MacOS, BSD and everything else.
    - itvision 5y ago
      So far "Linux works well for you and countless others" but almost all these people fall under the category of IT specialists or people with a high IQ. There are many anecdotal stories how Windows doesn't work but considering a majority of organizations run Windows (and we are talking about literally hundreds of millions of users) just fine with little to no maintenance while Linux is nowhere to be seen, speaks volumes about the validity and the breadth of your statement. BTW, what's the decent alternatives for AD, GPO, CIFS and something as simple as MSTSC/RDP in Linux/GNU? Pretty much none? Just don't talk about LDAP, SSH, NFS and VNC. There are nowhere near in terms of features and simplicity. 99.9% of people on Earth won't be able to configure them let along install them. I could continue for hours about the things Linux distros are lacking. When talking about tech and IT it is pertinent to look beyond one's nose. Linux works for me as well. How much time have I spent fixing its bugs and quirks? A hundred times more than reinstalling Windows. How many issues have you helped solve in the Linux kernel? Zero? I'm over a dozen now. Some of them took literally tens of hours of painful debugging. There's just one OS where Linux indeed works: Android. Only Android doesn't use the vanilla Linux kernel. Only Android runs on very specific devices. And the Android userspace has/uses zero GNU components. "Linux works". LMAO.

dimgl 5y ago

Linux as a desktop workstation is not better. Not even close. It's a barely working mess, and a majority of applications don't work on it. And good luck doing any kind of game development on it using something like Unity or Unreal Engine; that is the stuff of nightmares.

MrStonedOne 5y ago