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Bank accounts frozen? Own at least 5 figures of Monero and Tornado Cash notes. Forget about localbitcoins and ATMs, your lawyer can cash them into their IOLTA

Bank accounts frozen? Own at least 5 figures of Monero and Tornado Cash notes. Forget about localbitcoins and ATMs, your lawyer can cash them into their IOLTA account for benefit of you. Assuming your lawyer has some crypto exchange instead of just a bank account. Otherwise do take the risk of using a local trader and ATM. You should probably fire your "everything crypto confuses me" lawyer. The government doesn't get to know who your lawyers are, and they don't know what your legal strategy will be which creates risk for them. Yes, they have theoretical capability of stalking you in person and all your communications including attorney-client ones, this alone can void their case. Form a couple relationships. Congratulations, you can afford your rights again in America, and everything else. protip: do it before you need to, because by then you probably can't.

mcast 5y ago
Do you have any recommendations for finding capable lawyers with cryptocurrency expertise (and not just using them as buzzwords)?
- vmception 5y ago
  I don't, one thing you can do is check/subscribe to some legal journals and find the articles about cryptocurrency. Basically every lawyer or firm giving a quote is one familiar with the topic.
oh_sigh 5y ago
Unless your lawyer is more of a consigliere, I would not recommend trying to loop them into your schemes to bypass government orders.
- vmception 5y ago
  a) not your problem b) government freezes accounts one by one, it isnt a sanction on you accessing the financial system, it is based on allegations raised against the money they find and have control over at financial institutions via an order on the licensed financial institutions looking for your name. it remains legal - if you are a citizen or not a foreigner on the OFAC list - to have fungible money.
  - oh_sigh 5y ago
    a) It's your problem once your lawyer informs the court that you tried to pull them into unethical and illegal actions. b) The government can seize your fungible money. They aren't limited to just freezing accounts. If your crypto is at all tainted by the underlying cause which led to the government freezing your account, you're going to have a bad time.
    - vmception 5y ago
      Yes, correct they can get a court orders for onchain assets they know about, creating consequences for moving it without their permission You are not barred from having other money and using that money. You can stay liquid and retain counsel and interact with the electronic financial statement so always have some they won’t know about. the beauty these days is that you dont need to deal with the minefield of going both offshore and not reporting it, you dont need cash hidden around or gold bars buried in the desert, you can just have liquid fungible private crypto ready to be liquid when you need it

mcast 5y ago

Do you have any recommendations for finding capable lawyers with cryptocurrency expertise (and not just using them as buzzwords)?

vmception 5y ago
I don't, one thing you can do is check/subscribe to some legal journals and find the articles about cryptocurrency. Basically every lawyer or firm giving a quote is one familiar with the topic.

oh_sigh 5y ago

Unless your lawyer is more of a consigliere, I would not recommend trying to loop them into your schemes to bypass government orders.

vmception 5y ago
a) not your problem b) government freezes accounts one by one, it isnt a sanction on you accessing the financial system, it is based on allegations raised against the money they find and have control over at financial institutions via an order on the licensed financial institutions looking for your name. it remains legal - if you are a citizen or not a foreigner on the OFAC list - to have fungible money.
- oh_sigh 5y ago
  a) It's your problem once your lawyer informs the court that you tried to pull them into unethical and illegal actions. b) The government can seize your fungible money. They aren't limited to just freezing accounts. If your crypto is at all tainted by the underlying cause which led to the government freezing your account, you're going to have a bad time.
  - vmception 5y ago
    Yes, correct they can get a court orders for onchain assets they know about, creating consequences for moving it without their permission You are not barred from having other money and using that money. You can stay liquid and retain counsel and interact with the electronic financial statement so always have some they won’t know about. the beauty these days is that you dont need to deal with the minefield of going both offshore and not reporting it, you dont need cash hidden around or gold bars buried in the desert, you can just have liquid fungible private crypto ready to be liquid when you need it