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> Also I really don't get why BSD developers care to develop desktop environment with their limited resource Because they want to: they are the limited resourc

> Also I really don't get why BSD developers care to develop desktop environment with their limited resource Because they want to: they are the limited resource, and have agency. They may allocate their time as they please, and to their own benefit and preferences. Why should they pander to yours, when you don't even use it, let alone contribute? I struggle to comprehend how such an over-entitled expectation arises. > if they want to stay relevant I don't think you realise the sheer scale of the unobtrusively installed BSD base, from fundamental infrastructure (SANs, routers) to home entertainment systems (PS5) and more besides. And of course, rather notoriously, BSD origins still account for a fair chunk of the userland on that Mac of yours.

mekster 5y ago
I used to use BSD on my hobby server just to keep up with the BSD world but nowadays on Linux, I use various packages from Docker hub and little tools from Homebrew but they don't work on BSD and I've lost the reason to use BSD especially when Ubuntu offers zfs in easy to use packages. I don't use BSD nor Linux for desktop because I like the third party tools offered on macOS for work and now I don't know what BSD is for me. I'm also amazed how FreeBSD doesn't care to make it work on Raspberry Pi. Perhaps I'm not the only one in the same boat and people may stop packaging tools for BSD and less people may use it. Not my business but just an advice. I see the license is a big part that keeps BSD rolling where the manufacturers want to keep their changes to their own and I get it that people should thank how OpenSSH is developed upstream at OpenBSD.
- 1500100900 5y ago
  > I don't use BSD nor Linux for desktop because I like the third party tools offered on macOS for work and now I don't know what BSD is for me. I'm also amazed how FreeBSD doesn't care to make it work on Raspberry Pi. Where did you get that from? Maybe they care, but it's not that easy for some technical reason?
  - mekster 5y ago
    I got that too far. I had the impression it was borked but it just didn't have wi-fi support. Other parts work. But it does limit its usage like making a wireless router out of it. (Can attach an external antenna via USB maybe.) https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Raspberry%20Pi#What_works https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Raspberry%20Pi#What_works

mekster 5y ago

I used to use BSD on my hobby server just to keep up with the BSD world but nowadays on Linux, I use various packages from Docker hub and little tools from Homebrew but they don't work on BSD and I've lost the reason to use BSD especially when Ubuntu offers zfs in easy to use packages. I don't use BSD nor Linux for desktop because I like the third party tools offered on macOS for work and now I don't know what BSD is for me. I'm also amazed how FreeBSD doesn't care to make it work on Raspberry Pi. Perhaps I'm not the only one in the same boat and people may stop packaging tools for BSD and less people may use it. Not my business but just an advice. I see the license is a big part that keeps BSD rolling where the manufacturers want to keep their changes to their own and I get it that people should thank how OpenSSH is developed upstream at OpenBSD.

1500100900 5y ago
> I don't use BSD nor Linux for desktop because I like the third party tools offered on macOS for work and now I don't know what BSD is for me. I'm also amazed how FreeBSD doesn't care to make it work on Raspberry Pi. Where did you get that from? Maybe they care, but it's not that easy for some technical reason?
- mekster 5y ago
  I got that too far. I had the impression it was borked but it just didn't have wi-fi support. Other parts work. But it does limit its usage like making a wireless router out of it. (Can attach an external antenna via USB maybe.) https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Raspberry%20Pi#What_works https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Raspberry%20Pi#What_works