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They have allegedly started lobbing shells. [1] You may have to find non US media news sources to see it. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9zusfX8F7o ht

They have allegedly started lobbing shells. [1] You may have to find non US media news sources to see it. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9zusfX8F7o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9zusfX8F7o [video]

mythrwy 5y ago
Ya but that's not "Russia Proper"... yet. It's Ukraine and Russian backed Ukraine separatist regions (who are currently evacuating civilians to Russia in expectation of more conflict).
- LinuxBender 5y ago
  Hitting a school seems a bit of an extreme way to evacuate people. Surely one soldier could enter the classroom and say "Come with me if you want to live". I do not believe we will ever see Russia Proper. The ongoing invasion from 2014 had/has soldiers dressed as separatists.
  - artem247 5y ago
    School - actually it was kindergarten I think, was hit on Ukrainian side, so that’s unrelated to evacuation in DNR/LNR
yariik 5y ago
Who are "they"? The Donbass milita? They have been engaging in various forms of combat with the Ukrainian forces multiple times since the ceasefire in 2015. This is not news. Stop reading and watching garbage media outlets (that, unfortunately, could be applied to all mainstream media of the US and Europe today).
- LinuxBender 5y ago
  No idea. It could be all propaganda or at least I assume it is. As for garbage media, agreed I would have to stop watching all news. All news is mainstream/corporate at this point unless anyone knows of an untainted source. The invasion in 2014 which is still ongoing were Russian soldiers dressed as separatists and rebels so I suspect we will never see Russia proper.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > The Donbass milita? They have been engaging in various forms of combat with the Ukrainian forces multiple times since the ceasefire in 2015 Both sides are indicating an escalation, though who escalated is in dispute. (Though the motive for Ukraine to escalate when Russia has massed troops on their border and on the same day that Russia recognizes the breakaway republics is somewhat obscure, while the motive for Russia-backed separatists to do so is blindingly obvious.)
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    It's important to know that Ukraine's military has degraded to such a level that paramilitaires and militiais on the Ukraine side frequently run afoul of the government's will. Many of them have a large incentive for more war to happen, or are just batshit insane. So there's a situation where Ukraine isn't a well defined entity anymore. This is, of course, absolutely great for Russia, but it's very concerning.
    - artem247 5y ago
      You are confusing 2014 Ukraine with 2022 Ukraine. Paramilitaries and militias aren’t really a thing in Ukraine anymore.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> They have allegedly started lobbing shells. You may have to find non US media news sources to see it. It was all over US media yesterday.

mythrwy 5y ago

Ya but that's not "Russia Proper"... yet. It's Ukraine and Russian backed Ukraine separatist regions (who are currently evacuating civilians to Russia in expectation of more conflict).

LinuxBender 5y ago
Hitting a school seems a bit of an extreme way to evacuate people. Surely one soldier could enter the classroom and say "Come with me if you want to live". I do not believe we will ever see Russia Proper. The ongoing invasion from 2014 had/has soldiers dressed as separatists.
- artem247 5y ago
  School - actually it was kindergarten I think, was hit on Ukrainian side, so that’s unrelated to evacuation in DNR/LNR

yariik 5y ago

Who are "they"? The Donbass milita? They have been engaging in various forms of combat with the Ukrainian forces multiple times since the ceasefire in 2015. This is not news. Stop reading and watching garbage media outlets (that, unfortunately, could be applied to all mainstream media of the US and Europe today).

LinuxBender 5y ago
No idea. It could be all propaganda or at least I assume it is. As for garbage media, agreed I would have to stop watching all news. All news is mainstream/corporate at this point unless anyone knows of an untainted source. The invasion in 2014 which is still ongoing were Russian soldiers dressed as separatists and rebels so I suspect we will never see Russia proper.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> The Donbass milita? They have been engaging in various forms of combat with the Ukrainian forces multiple times since the ceasefire in 2015 Both sides are indicating an escalation, though who escalated is in dispute. (Though the motive for Ukraine to escalate when Russia has massed troops on their border and on the same day that Russia recognizes the breakaway republics is somewhat obscure, while the motive for Russia-backed separatists to do so is blindingly obvious.)
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  It's important to know that Ukraine's military has degraded to such a level that paramilitaires and militiais on the Ukraine side frequently run afoul of the government's will. Many of them have a large incentive for more war to happen, or are just batshit insane. So there's a situation where Ukraine isn't a well defined entity anymore. This is, of course, absolutely great for Russia, but it's very concerning.
  - artem247 5y ago
    You are confusing 2014 Ukraine with 2022 Ukraine. Paramilitaries and militias aren’t really a thing in Ukraine anymore.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> They have allegedly started lobbing shells. You may have to find non US media news sources to see it. It was all over US media yesterday.