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> but I think there has been a general increase in antisociality in the last few years (especially since the pandemic, which has traumatized society) It makes

by rosndo 5y ago

> but I think there has been a general increase in antisociality in the last few years (especially since the pandemic, which has traumatized society) It makes sense that people who feel that they’ve been unfairly imprisoned in their homes by the rest of society would feel rather bitter about that. To restore faith societies could take steps to compensate those worst hit by pandemic measures (i.e young people), so far that hasn’t happened.

Robotbeat 5y ago
Oh, it’s that and also anger at folks who don’t take prosocial steps like wearing a mask, justifying being antisocial to “those” kind of people… …and the blame cycle goes round and round. Break the cycle! Be nice to people who don’t deserve it!
watwut 5y ago
Your claim is that it is all right wing people becoming anti-social in unrelated areas?
- benglish11 5y ago
  You think only right wing people didn’t like being forcibly locked down?
  - watwut 5y ago
    I think that this was heavily partisan issue. So, yes, the "unfairly imprisoned in their homes by the rest of society" would have severe right wing bias. Just like anti masking and anti vaccine attitudes are currently heavily biased by partisan politics. OP could have stated it in more neutral terms, but chosen not to.
  - vangelis 5y ago
    What lockdowns has the US had?
- rosndo 5y ago
  Why right wing? I’m rather left leaning, even by European standards. I’m not some crazy antivaxxer either, plenty of those on both sides. Nevertheless the pandemic responses by various governments I have to interact with have done much to deepen my distrust of them and the society around me. Various governments have deployed drastic measures such as lockdowns in an effort to control the pandemic, but they’ve released little evidence to demonstrate the usefulness of these measures. Research is increasingly showing that the lockdowns were not worth it. If that is really true their victims should be lavishly compensated and those responsible actually held responsible. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/ijcp.13674 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/ijcp.13674 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7499782/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7499782/ Of course I personally am not qualified to judge whether or not the lockdowns were a mistake, but the evidence seems to be piling up against them. The governments could alleviate these concerns by showing solid research confirming that they didn’t fuck up.
  - watwut 5y ago
    Because this was heavily partisan issue. It is just absurd to claim it was not.
    - rosndo 5y ago
      Bad government decisionmaking should very much be a common issue.
      - watwut 5y ago
        It does not matter what attitudes people should have. It matters which they actually had. The "feel that they’ve been unfairly imprisoned in their homes by the rest of society" was very right wing attitude. Even in places with no lockdowns and no restrictions. Even left wing disagreeing with this or that measured would talk about these in less emotional terms.
        rosndo 5y ago
ryandrake 5y ago
I don't think it's fair to blame the pandemic measures, at least in the USA. People weren't nice and then all of a sudden turned shitty because they were asked to voluntarily stay home. I think it's more likely that they were already antisocial people, but spent most of their lives keeping it inside and mostly hiding it under a thin facade of basic manners. Then, maybe several years ago, something happened that encouraged them that manners didn't matter, and it's ok to own your own asshole. Maybe someone showed us that you could just say the quiet part out loud without consequences. Hmm... Some human embodiment of narcissistic anti-social contrarianism... Can't quite put my finger on it though...

by rosndo 5y ago

Robotbeat 5y ago

Oh, it’s that and also anger at folks who don’t take prosocial steps like wearing a mask, justifying being antisocial to “those” kind of people… …and the blame cycle goes round and round. Break the cycle! Be nice to people who don’t deserve it!

watwut 5y ago

Your claim is that it is all right wing people becoming anti-social in unrelated areas?

benglish11 5y ago
You think only right wing people didn’t like being forcibly locked down?
- watwut 5y ago
  I think that this was heavily partisan issue. So, yes, the "unfairly imprisoned in their homes by the rest of society" would have severe right wing bias. Just like anti masking and anti vaccine attitudes are currently heavily biased by partisan politics. OP could have stated it in more neutral terms, but chosen not to.
- vangelis 5y ago
  What lockdowns has the US had?
rosndo 5y ago
Why right wing? I’m rather left leaning, even by European standards. I’m not some crazy antivaxxer either, plenty of those on both sides. Nevertheless the pandemic responses by various governments I have to interact with have done much to deepen my distrust of them and the society around me. Various governments have deployed drastic measures such as lockdowns in an effort to control the pandemic, but they’ve released little evidence to demonstrate the usefulness of these measures. Research is increasingly showing that the lockdowns were not worth it. If that is really true their victims should be lavishly compensated and those responsible actually held responsible. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/ijcp.13674 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/ijcp.13674 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7499782/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7499782/ Of course I personally am not qualified to judge whether or not the lockdowns were a mistake, but the evidence seems to be piling up against them. The governments could alleviate these concerns by showing solid research confirming that they didn’t fuck up.
- watwut 5y ago
  Because this was heavily partisan issue. It is just absurd to claim it was not.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    Bad government decisionmaking should very much be a common issue.
    - watwut 5y ago
      It does not matter what attitudes people should have. It matters which they actually had. The "feel that they’ve been unfairly imprisoned in their homes by the rest of society" was very right wing attitude. Even in places with no lockdowns and no restrictions. Even left wing disagreeing with this or that measured would talk about these in less emotional terms.
      - rosndo 5y ago

ryandrake 5y ago

I don't think it's fair to blame the pandemic measures, at least in the USA. People weren't nice and then all of a sudden turned shitty because they were asked to voluntarily stay home. I think it's more likely that they were already antisocial people, but spent most of their lives keeping it inside and mostly hiding it under a thin facade of basic manners. Then, maybe several years ago, something happened that encouraged them that manners didn't matter, and it's ok to own your own asshole. Maybe someone showed us that you could just say the quiet part out loud without consequences. Hmm... Some human embodiment of narcissistic anti-social contrarianism... Can't quite put my finger on it though...