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I'm assuming this is a movie tie-in, so it's odd that the depiction of the worms is closer to the three-lobed mouth of the original novel cover art and 1984 mov

by SamBam 5y ago

I'm assuming this is a movie tie-in, so it's odd that the depiction of the worms is closer to the three-lobed mouth of the original novel cover art and 1984 movie than the round mouth of the new movie. Anyway, I do think that 4X RTS is a bit of a tired genre for Dune, and probably won't live up to the original. I also think it's a waste. Why just another story of exploiting a land's natural resources, mining, subjugating villages, and sending spice off to a distant empire. Sure, it fits so well into the 4X genre it's an easy, thoughtless adaptation. But what about a game told from the Freman's perspective? How about a game of repelling the imperialist invaders? Or a naturalist tale of trying to turn the desert green?

skocznymroczny 5y ago
There hasn't been any 4X RTS games in Dune setting? Dune 2/Dune 2000/Emperor Battle for Dune weren't 4X. 4X means more games like Master of Orion and Civilization rather than Starcraft.
- SamBam 5y ago
  When I said "the original" I simply meant the original RTS game from '92.
  - hnxs 5y ago
    “the original” isn’t even an RTS, you’re thinking of Dune 2
enkid 5y ago
This doesn't seem to be a movie tie in. The character and vehicle design look different. It's likely a "well-timed" adaptation of the novel, similar to the recent graphic novel that was released in 2020, which emphasized completely different parts from the movie and had very different visions for things like the ornithopters and even the race of the cast.
- olivierlacan 5y ago
  [Legendary][1] is listed on the game's site footer. Since it's the production company behind Denis Villeneuve's Dune adaptation, it's at least blessed if not co-produced, albeit not seemingly with any canonical story relationships or obvious The same game publisher, Funcom, is working on an open world game per Polygon: https://www.polygon.com/2019/2/27/18243384/dune-funcom-video-game-legendary-entertainment-movie-2020 https://www.polygon.com/2019/2/27/18243384/dune-funcom-video... [1]: https://www.legendary.com https://www.legendary.com
  - soneil 5y ago
    This doesn't necessarily mean it's a tie-in. Just that who-ever current owns the adaptation rights wants bang for their buck. Typically that does mean a tie-in, but I think the Dune universe doesn't really need it to sell it, any more than Lego Batman need be canon.
- paisawalla 5y ago
  It seems at least inspired by the movie in certain ways. For example, Baron Harkonnen is hairless as seen in the movie, not red-haired as described in the books.
scrumper 5y ago
> Or a naturalist tale of trying to turn the desert green? That's an interesting premise, and a nice third way between the obvious and tired approaches of Imperialist Exploiter 2000 and Mujahideen Simulator.
- z2h-a6n 5y ago
  >> Or a naturalist tale of trying to turn the desert green? What about a naturalist tale of keeping the desert as it is, and resisting the urge to destroy it for the supposed benefit of the humans? I recently read Desert Solitaire by Edward Abbey (highly recommended), and I'm reminded of the start of the ninth chapter: "This would be good country," a tourist says to me, "if only you had some water." He's from Cleveland, Ohio. "If we had water here," I reply, "this country wound not be what it is. It would be like Ohio, wet and humid and hydrological, all covered with cabbage farms and golf courses. Instead of this lovely barren desert we would have only another blooming garden state, like New Jersey. You see what I mean?" "If you had more water more people could live here." "Yes sir. And where then would people go when they wanted to see something besides people?" "I see what you mean. Still, I wouldn't want to live here. So dry and desolate. Nice for pictures but my God I'm glad I don't have to live here." "I'm glad too, sir. We're in perfect agreement. You wouldn't want to live here, I wouldn't want to live in Cleveland. We're both satisfied with the arrangement as it is. Why change it?" "Agreed." We shake hands and the tourist from Ohio goes away pleased, as I am pleased, each of us thinking he has taught the other something new. What about a naturalist tale about restricting the spread of development and conserving nature as it is?
  - SamBam 5y ago
    Sure! And how great if a game could explore those kinds of tensions. We could have moral, social, and political questions as well. But in terms of novel adaptation, at least in the first book, turning parts of Arrakis green was one of the Freman dreams.
  - throwanem 5y ago
    What about a naturalist tale that doesn't indulge in either sort of fetishism, the sort of fetishism that observes an artificial distinction drawn between "nature" and "development" and assumes uncritically that must be all there is? You've just inverted the sign, without noticing that the figures don't add up in the first place. Like all life, we modify our environment in accord with our needs, and by itself there's no more harm in that than when beavers or wasps or crows or spiders or any other animals do it. The problem isn't that we're so good at improving our environment for ourselves, but that we suck so bad at avoiding damage to the ecologies we so modify. We can improve upon the latter without forswearing the former, which is good, because we might as well try to forswear breathing.
SonicSoul 5y ago
on your second point, love this! story/mission would be so much more fulfilling and have a positive impact on younger minds
petre 5y ago
They licensed the IP from Herbert Properties LLC, it would have been a waste to not use it in games, Duke Leto and Paul action figures, Dune Lego series etc. At least from a business perspective.
binaryorganic 5y ago
Your sentiment put words to my feelings as I watched the gameplay trailer. As soon as the narrator shifted to the theme of exploitation and politics, with no reference to the indigenous population, I recoiled from the whole idea of it. The sorts of motivations these games ask you to align yourself with feel foreign and unwelcome compared to how I felt about them 25 years ago.
- shmageggy 5y ago
  I had the same uneasy reation when the trailer showed how you can "rally local villages or force them into submission." Hopefully roleplaying colonialism will eventually feel as gross as roleplaying something like racism.
  - Karunamon 5y ago
    Why? Part of the appeal of games is harmlessly doing things that shouldn't/can't be done in real life. I think the millions of 'people' I've 'killed' across various bloodsport-themed FPSes over the last couple decades is a greater evil if we're talking about shoehorning IRL morals into consequence-free virtual spaces. And if you disagree, why? Is mass murder not worse? Maybe I'm just oversensitive to moralizing in video games, but this line of argument was no less tired over a decade ago. https://i.imgur.com/3e1obaF.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/3e1obaF.jpeg
    - wyre 5y ago
      I think it’s because we all know murder is wrong and the FPS genre wouldn’t exist as we know it without that factor. In contrast, colonialism and racism, unfortunately, still garners support. There is no support for video games glorifying rape. There shouldn’t be support for video games glorifying colonialism or racism.
    - shmageggy 5y ago
      Let me ask you the converse: would you be comfortable playing a game that roleplays racism? If not, why?
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beaconstudios 5y ago
The Dune PS2 game was first-person and played from Paul Atreides' perspective, if that's the style you're after.
- RamRodification 5y ago
  Oof what a mess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMlQCOQDCrQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMlQCOQDCrQ
  - beaconstudios 5y ago
    Oh yeah it's definitely a game of its time haha It was something of a catastrophe in the gameplay/technicals but captures the spirit fairly well.
  - thriftwy 5y ago
    The original Dune was also played from Paul's perspective.
b112 5y ago
that was the original dune 3 game. Or 1? I recall planting green plants all over the planet, in one of the original games.
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telchior 5y ago
I always disagree with opinions that 10+ year old games shouldn't be remade or have a successor because they're "tired" or have "been done". It's just a viewpoint that's incredibly out of touch with the actual game playing audience. The vast, vast majority of players don't know about and will not touch something that old. A game like Dune II that's nearly 30 years old might as well be buried in an ancient tomb, from a standpoint of its accessibility and likelihood to be discovered. As to the other criticism, against "rally local villages or force them into submission"... this just sounds like you could play as either an Atreides (woke good guys, joining up with locals to fight imperials) or Harkonnen (evil colonialist) archetype. You know, choosing sides and having agency, the thing games exist for. You could shift the theme more, but this is presumably trying to somewhat follow the story of Dune.

by SamBam 5y ago

skocznymroczny 5y ago

There hasn't been any 4X RTS games in Dune setting? Dune 2/Dune 2000/Emperor Battle for Dune weren't 4X. 4X means more games like Master of Orion and Civilization rather than Starcraft.

SamBam 5y ago
When I said "the original" I simply meant the original RTS game from '92.
- hnxs 5y ago
  “the original” isn’t even an RTS, you’re thinking of Dune 2

enkid 5y ago

This doesn't seem to be a movie tie in. The character and vehicle design look different. It's likely a "well-timed" adaptation of the novel, similar to the recent graphic novel that was released in 2020, which emphasized completely different parts from the movie and had very different visions for things like the ornithopters and even the race of the cast.

olivierlacan 5y ago
[Legendary][1] is listed on the game's site footer. Since it's the production company behind Denis Villeneuve's Dune adaptation, it's at least blessed if not co-produced, albeit not seemingly with any canonical story relationships or obvious The same game publisher, Funcom, is working on an open world game per Polygon: https://www.polygon.com/2019/2/27/18243384/dune-funcom-video-game-legendary-entertainment-movie-2020 https://www.polygon.com/2019/2/27/18243384/dune-funcom-video... [1]: https://www.legendary.com https://www.legendary.com
- soneil 5y ago
  This doesn't necessarily mean it's a tie-in. Just that who-ever current owns the adaptation rights wants bang for their buck. Typically that does mean a tie-in, but I think the Dune universe doesn't really need it to sell it, any more than Lego Batman need be canon.
paisawalla 5y ago
It seems at least inspired by the movie in certain ways. For example, Baron Harkonnen is hairless as seen in the movie, not red-haired as described in the books.

scrumper 5y ago

> Or a naturalist tale of trying to turn the desert green? That's an interesting premise, and a nice third way between the obvious and tired approaches of Imperialist Exploiter 2000 and Mujahideen Simulator.

z2h-a6n 5y ago
>> Or a naturalist tale of trying to turn the desert green? What about a naturalist tale of keeping the desert as it is, and resisting the urge to destroy it for the supposed benefit of the humans? I recently read Desert Solitaire by Edward Abbey (highly recommended), and I'm reminded of the start of the ninth chapter: "This would be good country," a tourist says to me, "if only you had some water." He's from Cleveland, Ohio. "If we had water here," I reply, "this country wound not be what it is. It would be like Ohio, wet and humid and hydrological, all covered with cabbage farms and golf courses. Instead of this lovely barren desert we would have only another blooming garden state, like New Jersey. You see what I mean?" "If you had more water more people could live here." "Yes sir. And where then would people go when they wanted to see something besides people?" "I see what you mean. Still, I wouldn't want to live here. So dry and desolate. Nice for pictures but my God I'm glad I don't have to live here." "I'm glad too, sir. We're in perfect agreement. You wouldn't want to live here, I wouldn't want to live in Cleveland. We're both satisfied with the arrangement as it is. Why change it?" "Agreed." We shake hands and the tourist from Ohio goes away pleased, as I am pleased, each of us thinking he has taught the other something new. What about a naturalist tale about restricting the spread of development and conserving nature as it is?
- SamBam 5y ago
  Sure! And how great if a game could explore those kinds of tensions. We could have moral, social, and political questions as well. But in terms of novel adaptation, at least in the first book, turning parts of Arrakis green was one of the Freman dreams.
- throwanem 5y ago
  What about a naturalist tale that doesn't indulge in either sort of fetishism, the sort of fetishism that observes an artificial distinction drawn between "nature" and "development" and assumes uncritically that must be all there is? You've just inverted the sign, without noticing that the figures don't add up in the first place. Like all life, we modify our environment in accord with our needs, and by itself there's no more harm in that than when beavers or wasps or crows or spiders or any other animals do it. The problem isn't that we're so good at improving our environment for ourselves, but that we suck so bad at avoiding damage to the ecologies we so modify. We can improve upon the latter without forswearing the former, which is good, because we might as well try to forswear breathing.

SonicSoul 5y ago

on your second point, love this! story/mission would be so much more fulfilling and have a positive impact on younger minds

petre 5y ago

They licensed the IP from Herbert Properties LLC, it would have been a waste to not use it in games, Duke Leto and Paul action figures, Dune Lego series etc. At least from a business perspective.

binaryorganic 5y ago

Your sentiment put words to my feelings as I watched the gameplay trailer. As soon as the narrator shifted to the theme of exploitation and politics, with no reference to the indigenous population, I recoiled from the whole idea of it. The sorts of motivations these games ask you to align yourself with feel foreign and unwelcome compared to how I felt about them 25 years ago.

shmageggy 5y ago
I had the same uneasy reation when the trailer showed how you can "rally local villages or force them into submission." Hopefully roleplaying colonialism will eventually feel as gross as roleplaying something like racism.
- Karunamon 5y ago
  Why? Part of the appeal of games is harmlessly doing things that shouldn't/can't be done in real life. I think the millions of 'people' I've 'killed' across various bloodsport-themed FPSes over the last couple decades is a greater evil if we're talking about shoehorning IRL morals into consequence-free virtual spaces. And if you disagree, why? Is mass murder not worse? Maybe I'm just oversensitive to moralizing in video games, but this line of argument was no less tired over a decade ago. https://i.imgur.com/3e1obaF.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/3e1obaF.jpeg
  - wyre 5y ago
    I think it’s because we all know murder is wrong and the FPS genre wouldn’t exist as we know it without that factor. In contrast, colonialism and racism, unfortunately, still garners support. There is no support for video games glorifying rape. There shouldn’t be support for video games glorifying colonialism or racism.
  - shmageggy 5y ago
    Let me ask you the converse: would you be comfortable playing a game that roleplays racism? If not, why?
- 5y ago

beaconstudios 5y ago

The Dune PS2 game was first-person and played from Paul Atreides' perspective, if that's the style you're after.

RamRodification 5y ago
Oof what a mess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMlQCOQDCrQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMlQCOQDCrQ
- beaconstudios 5y ago
  Oh yeah it's definitely a game of its time haha It was something of a catastrophe in the gameplay/technicals but captures the spirit fairly well.
- thriftwy 5y ago
  The original Dune was also played from Paul's perspective.

b112 5y ago

that was the original dune 3 game. Or 1? I recall planting green plants all over the planet, in one of the original games.

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telchior 5y ago

I always disagree with opinions that 10+ year old games shouldn't be remade or have a successor because they're "tired" or have "been done". It's just a viewpoint that's incredibly out of touch with the actual game playing audience. The vast, vast majority of players don't know about and will not touch something that old. A game like Dune II that's nearly 30 years old might as well be buried in an ancient tomb, from a standpoint of its accessibility and likelihood to be discovered. As to the other criticism, against "rally local villages or force them into submission"... this just sounds like you could play as either an Atreides (woke good guys, joining up with locals to fight imperials) or Harkonnen (evil colonialist) archetype. You know, choosing sides and having agency, the thing games exist for. You could shift the theme more, but this is presumably trying to somewhat follow the story of Dune.