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> If it wasn't for the charging network advantage I'd dabble in another EV brand next. Why accept a proprietary network in the first place? For the good of all

> If it wasn't for the charging network advantage I'd dabble in another EV brand next. Why accept a proprietary network in the first place? For the good of all EVs everywhere it's better to go with the open standard. Europe standardized on CCS Type 2 Combo. Tesla switched to it a few years ago and now they are (finally) starting to open their chargers to all EVs just like all the other charging networks: https://electrek.co/2022/02/14/tesla-expands-access-supercharger-network-all-electric-car-all-stations-netherlands/ https://electrek.co/2022/02/14/tesla-expands-access-supercha... Europe's getting it right on EVs. A step in the right direction for North America would be for Tesla to switch to CCS like they did in Europe.

steveBK123 5y ago
I mean theres being pragmatic and "accepting" that in North America, especially outside California, Tesla's charging network is 5 years ahead of the competition in terms of locations, plugs, reliability, and even cost. It's not even close. It's crazier than not buying an iPhone due to the lightning plug. At least that is easily solved with the adapter / most people have plenty of cables. In Tesla's case, in 49 of 50 states in US, the proprietary network is actually a huge advantage to the buyer.
- clouddrover 5y ago
  > I mean theres being pragmatic and "accepting" that in North America It's not pragmatic to stunt the growth of the market. North American EV sales volumes are one third the size of Europe's. North America's inability to do something as basic as standardize on chargers is one of the reasons why.
  - steveBK123 5y ago
    The real reason is size & cost. Americans love big giant cars, and especially cross-overs and trucks. None of these have had competitively priced EV versions until just this year, barely. You still need to spend north of $50K on an EV to get anything approaching the typical American car size. When some of these EV pickup trucks from mainstream makers ship in quantity, the needle will start to move. Europeans are happily replacing small city cars with small sub-250mi range EVs.
    - clouddrover 5y ago
      > None of these have had competitively priced EV versions until just this year, barely. Sure they have. In Europe. It's just a bigger market with more choice. In fact, here's a Mercedes EQV charging on a Tesla charger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI5EnOo05BE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI5EnOo05BE Broad choice of EVs, multibrand charging, bigger and better. It's too bad North America is still struggling to get its EV act together. Tesla is the last remaining CCS holdout. Hopefully they'll get more serious soon.

steveBK123 5y ago

I mean theres being pragmatic and "accepting" that in North America, especially outside California, Tesla's charging network is 5 years ahead of the competition in terms of locations, plugs, reliability, and even cost. It's not even close. It's crazier than not buying an iPhone due to the lightning plug. At least that is easily solved with the adapter / most people have plenty of cables. In Tesla's case, in 49 of 50 states in US, the proprietary network is actually a huge advantage to the buyer.

clouddrover 5y ago
> I mean theres being pragmatic and "accepting" that in North America It's not pragmatic to stunt the growth of the market. North American EV sales volumes are one third the size of Europe's. North America's inability to do something as basic as standardize on chargers is one of the reasons why.
- steveBK123 5y ago
  The real reason is size & cost. Americans love big giant cars, and especially cross-overs and trucks. None of these have had competitively priced EV versions until just this year, barely. You still need to spend north of $50K on an EV to get anything approaching the typical American car size. When some of these EV pickup trucks from mainstream makers ship in quantity, the needle will start to move. Europeans are happily replacing small city cars with small sub-250mi range EVs.
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    > None of these have had competitively priced EV versions until just this year, barely. Sure they have. In Europe. It's just a bigger market with more choice. In fact, here's a Mercedes EQV charging on a Tesla charger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI5EnOo05BE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI5EnOo05BE Broad choice of EVs, multibrand charging, bigger and better. It's too bad North America is still struggling to get its EV act together. Tesla is the last remaining CCS holdout. Hopefully they'll get more serious soon.