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Anyone who says "We certainly have a right to raise [...] (issues with) racism, human rights abuse, etc." and immediately follows with "That being said however"

Anyone who says "We certainly have a right to raise [...] (issues with) racism, human rights abuse, etc." and immediately follows with "That being said however", is automatically not entitled to an opinion. You're clearly biased and enfatuated with the richness of the country and easy access to slavery and are more than content of looking the other way.

CJefferson 5y ago
Does the same apply to America? Plenty of racism, people shot in their homes by police, Guantanamo Bay still open.
- throw__away7391 5y ago
  I really think an educational program is needed to take people from the US to visit some non-western countries with "human rights issues" and see what this actually looks like for a bit to cure this kind of whataboutism deflections that crop up anytime criticisms are made of conditions for people in foreign countries.
  - logicchains 5y ago
    >take people from the US to visit some non-western countries with "human rights issues" and see what this actually looks like for a bit I'm sure once they come to Dubai they'll be horrified how the streets aren't covered in human shit and used needles.
    - throw__away7391 5y ago
      I almost feel like you're proving my point. Try going outside the tourist districts. Nobody is complaining that the streets of downtown Dubai are dirty, they're complaining that they're being cleaned by slave labor.
brthsim 5y ago
- logicchains 5y ago
  - delecti 5y ago
    Comparing slavery to vaccines is simply absurd. Slavery is one of the worst things humans do to each other, and vaccines are one of our greatest accomplishments as a species. You can go through life as a walking petri dish for dark age plagues if you'd like, but I think it's good for society to keep you away from the rest of us.
    - logicchains 5y ago
      >Comparing slavery to vaccines is simply absurd Comparing the covid vaccines to previous vaccines is simply absurd. You know what other vaccines do? THEY PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING THE DISEASE! The covid vaccines do not do this! Even if you get the covid vaccine, you can still get covid and you can still die! And not only that, the covid vaccines are at least an order of magnitude more dangerous than previous vaccines in terms of causing severe adverse effects and death, as measured by post-market safety databases like VAERS and VigiAccess. That aside, I'm not comparing slavery to vaccines; I'm comparing slavery to compulsory medical treatment! Both are horrendous assaults on human dignity because they deny the person's right to choose what they do with their body. >but I think it's good for society to keep you away from the rest of us. Have fun when the government forces you to inject some chip or implant to track your every movement and there's nobody there to save you because all the people who brave enough to fight for bodily autonomy already left your sick state. The rights that protect someone like me from someone like you assaulting me with needles are the same rights that would prevent a future Trump-but-worse leader from sterilising someone like you for your sexual preferences. Give up those rights, and the majority has full control over what goes into your body.
      - 5y ago
brynx97 5y ago
Well said. They shield themselves well, and they package it up nicely for business interests and tourists to tolerate it or never experience problematic situations.
_hhkg 5y ago
I don’t think that’s fair. You don’t know why I’m here and calling me an entitled prick is laughable because of your base assumptions. Maybe I’m here for humanitarian reasons and am trying to improve the lives of many. I’m not infatuated by anything, I’m simply raising a nuanced opinion about a country that has many faults, but has some successes which are never acknowledged. And that’s fine. Just thought it might be interesting to hear a viewpoint from someone who actually lives here rather than blindly reads the news and maybe has visited a few times. Labeling me and calling me names doesn’t help or bring anything useful to the conversation. If you can’t name a single positive thing the UAE has done, then to me, maybe it’s worth it to do some further investigation on the topic.
- WilTimSon 5y ago
  That's a lot of maybes. You said in your initial comment that you fight racism and slavery there every day, so... are you there on humanitarian reasons? Part of an NGO?
- bitcharmer 5y ago
  No, it's entirely fair. You just refuse to appreciate the dissonance between the country that lets you live a comfy life and actual evil that happens there on daily basis. There was so much media coverage about human rights violations and slavery you'd have to put in a lot of effort to not see it.
  - _hhkg 5y ago
    I appreciate the dissonance just fine. I live here and face it every day when actually interacting with people. We go out of our way to support them as much as we can (buying furniture and things for those who cannot afford it, proving financial and emotional support, and just hanging out with them). As I’ve mentioned now several times, I’m not blind to it. The UAE has engaged in many poorly made decisions, however I was simply trying to engage in some conversation about something the western media doesn’t often talk about - the positive things the UAE does. If your response to that is, “the UAE is entirely negative, why engage in anything positive”, then I’d suggest seeking information on the positive things the country has done for others. Maybe it’ll broaden your horizon and bring some nuance. I’d state more positives here, but I keep getting called names, so I won’t list any more positives.
tasha0663 5y ago
Opinions will exist with or without your permission. There's no entitlement about it, and you would have no standing to decide it if there was. "Automatically not entitled to an opinion" is a dog whistle for fascism.
thematrixturtle 5y ago
By this logic, your own opinions are invalid, since as an American you clearly personally condone every social evil in that country.

CJefferson 5y ago

Does the same apply to America? Plenty of racism, people shot in their homes by police, Guantanamo Bay still open.

throw__away7391 5y ago
I really think an educational program is needed to take people from the US to visit some non-western countries with "human rights issues" and see what this actually looks like for a bit to cure this kind of whataboutism deflections that crop up anytime criticisms are made of conditions for people in foreign countries.
- logicchains 5y ago
  >take people from the US to visit some non-western countries with "human rights issues" and see what this actually looks like for a bit I'm sure once they come to Dubai they'll be horrified how the streets aren't covered in human shit and used needles.
  - throw__away7391 5y ago
    I almost feel like you're proving my point. Try going outside the tourist districts. Nobody is complaining that the streets of downtown Dubai are dirty, they're complaining that they're being cleaned by slave labor.

brthsim 5y ago

logicchains 5y ago
- delecti 5y ago
  Comparing slavery to vaccines is simply absurd. Slavery is one of the worst things humans do to each other, and vaccines are one of our greatest accomplishments as a species. You can go through life as a walking petri dish for dark age plagues if you'd like, but I think it's good for society to keep you away from the rest of us.
  - logicchains 5y ago
    >Comparing slavery to vaccines is simply absurd Comparing the covid vaccines to previous vaccines is simply absurd. You know what other vaccines do? THEY PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING THE DISEASE! The covid vaccines do not do this! Even if you get the covid vaccine, you can still get covid and you can still die! And not only that, the covid vaccines are at least an order of magnitude more dangerous than previous vaccines in terms of causing severe adverse effects and death, as measured by post-market safety databases like VAERS and VigiAccess. That aside, I'm not comparing slavery to vaccines; I'm comparing slavery to compulsory medical treatment! Both are horrendous assaults on human dignity because they deny the person's right to choose what they do with their body. >but I think it's good for society to keep you away from the rest of us. Have fun when the government forces you to inject some chip or implant to track your every movement and there's nobody there to save you because all the people who brave enough to fight for bodily autonomy already left your sick state. The rights that protect someone like me from someone like you assaulting me with needles are the same rights that would prevent a future Trump-but-worse leader from sterilising someone like you for your sexual preferences. Give up those rights, and the majority has full control over what goes into your body.
    - 5y ago

brynx97 5y ago

Well said. They shield themselves well, and they package it up nicely for business interests and tourists to tolerate it or never experience problematic situations.

_hhkg 5y ago

I don’t think that’s fair. You don’t know why I’m here and calling me an entitled prick is laughable because of your base assumptions. Maybe I’m here for humanitarian reasons and am trying to improve the lives of many. I’m not infatuated by anything, I’m simply raising a nuanced opinion about a country that has many faults, but has some successes which are never acknowledged. And that’s fine. Just thought it might be interesting to hear a viewpoint from someone who actually lives here rather than blindly reads the news and maybe has visited a few times. Labeling me and calling me names doesn’t help or bring anything useful to the conversation. If you can’t name a single positive thing the UAE has done, then to me, maybe it’s worth it to do some further investigation on the topic.

WilTimSon 5y ago
That's a lot of maybes. You said in your initial comment that you fight racism and slavery there every day, so... are you there on humanitarian reasons? Part of an NGO?
bitcharmer 5y ago
No, it's entirely fair. You just refuse to appreciate the dissonance between the country that lets you live a comfy life and actual evil that happens there on daily basis. There was so much media coverage about human rights violations and slavery you'd have to put in a lot of effort to not see it.
- _hhkg 5y ago
  I appreciate the dissonance just fine. I live here and face it every day when actually interacting with people. We go out of our way to support them as much as we can (buying furniture and things for those who cannot afford it, proving financial and emotional support, and just hanging out with them). As I’ve mentioned now several times, I’m not blind to it. The UAE has engaged in many poorly made decisions, however I was simply trying to engage in some conversation about something the western media doesn’t often talk about - the positive things the UAE does. If your response to that is, “the UAE is entirely negative, why engage in anything positive”, then I’d suggest seeking information on the positive things the country has done for others. Maybe it’ll broaden your horizon and bring some nuance. I’d state more positives here, but I keep getting called names, so I won’t list any more positives.

tasha0663 5y ago

Opinions will exist with or without your permission. There's no entitlement about it, and you would have no standing to decide it if there was. "Automatically not entitled to an opinion" is a dog whistle for fascism.

thematrixturtle 5y ago

By this logic, your own opinions are invalid, since as an American you clearly personally condone every social evil in that country.