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Gaming on Linux is as bad as it's been in a long time and is only going to get worst because of anti-cheat systems. Visual Studio is on more platforms than Win

by mrits 5y ago

Gaming on Linux is as bad as it's been in a long time and is only going to get worst because of anti-cheat systems. Visual Studio is on more platforms than Windows and not even the preferred IDE of most devs on Windows unless they are doing .NET. FreeBSD does not excel on the server side. I don't know any companies that even use it and I spent the last decade consulting with hundreds of companies.

jmnicolas 5y ago
> Visual Studio is on more platforms than Windows No, Visual Studio for Macs is a rebranded Mono thing, it has nothing to do with the Windows Visual Studio. There's no VS for Linux. Of course MS had to complicate things by naming their electron editor Visual Studio Code...
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Nope, Visual Studio for Mac started as a rebranded Mono thing after Xamarin acquisition. Since then, the amount of plugins shared with Visual Studio has increased, which is a reason why Microsoft started pushing to write them in C# instead of COM. Currently it is being rewritten, and should be mostly completly unrelated to Mono Develop by .NET 7 release.
noirbot 5y ago
I'm sure it depends on the games you want to play - competitive games where anti-cheat is a thing, sure, but if you're ideologically against having kernel level anti-cheat then that's not that Linux gaming is bad, it's just that gaming as a whole is bad. Most single-player stuff I've tried has worked fine on Linux with either Lutris + Wine or Steam + Proton. The only games that haven't are super small indie stuff where I just assume they're coded a little poorly in some way.
gundamdoubleO 5y ago
You're kidding right? Linux gaming compatibility has been near ideal for me for the past year and we already know the anti-cheat situation is at least being worked thanks to vendors like Valve. I haven't boot into Windows for a long time for gaming. The only real exceptions being Microsoft exclusives or multiplayer EGS titles.
breakfastduck 5y ago
This comment is wrong on so many levels. But to tackle the main one, gaming on Linux is in the best position it's ever been in. It's not getting 'worse' due to anti cheat, in fact the steamdeck and valve are actively bringing compatibility to linux for those things. What can you possibly be basing your claim on there? Are you aware of proton?
headhuntermdk 5y ago
I'm guessing you haven't heard of Netflix then https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-epyc-cpus-netflix-bandwidth-400-gbps-per-server https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-epyc-cpus-netflix-band...
- mrits 5y ago
  The widely known use cases for FreeBSD doesn't have much to do with it "excelling" as a server OS.
  - Shared404 5y ago
    Where does FreeBSD excel then, because last time I checked all the widely known use cases were split about 50/50 serving and routing, with a side of Playstation. Re: Linux gaming: Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of the MCC playing on my Linux box. And Ori. And Stardew, RoR2, Everspace, XCOM2, SWTOR, Hades, DST, Hollow Knight, FTL, Terraria, Human Fall Flat, Portal 1/2, and a variety of other games. As far as anticheat is concerned, that's actively being worked on by Valve and the largest stake holders.
    - mrits 5y ago
      Now list the games that you can't play
      - Shared404 5y ago
        Literally none that I've tried have given me problems. But to the working games, let me add: Overwatch, League of Legends, Anything from GBA/GB/NES/SNES/DS/OtherRetroSystems, Starcraft. Oh, and Minecraft of course. I'm sure I can come up with more. Edit: One steam library checking later - and I'll note, this is stuff that I've actually played on Linux (and is also filtered by names I think people would recognize): Arma 3, Blitzkrieg 2, Pit People, Castle Crashers, BattleBlock Theater, Unturned, Invisible Inc., Baldurs Gate, Undertale, Speedrunners, Dota 2, Gary's Mod, Everspace, Raft, AoE 3. This makes up the VAST majority of my steam library, none of which was purchased checking for Linux compatibility. It's one thing to say that a specific game you want doesn't work, and quite another to say it in general doesn't work. Edit again: Rocket League. That's it. That's the only one that I know of issues with, and I don't know if it even still has issues - I stopped playing when it required an Epic account. Oh hey, lookie there: https://www.protondb.com/app/252950 https://www.protondb.com/app/252950 . Sounds like that works too.
wang_li 5y ago
>FreeBSD does not excel on the server side. I don't know any companies that even use it and I spent the last decade consulting with hundreds of companies. Examples come to mind: Whatsapp and Hotmail used to use it before being acquired by companies with their own tech stacks. Netflix's streaming service is based on it. Pfsense was based on it at one time, not sure if it still is. Juniper uses it. If you go check out the FreeBSD Foundation donations pages you'll see Facebook, Microsoft, Google, Netflix, and others. Reality is that on the server and in the data center all I need from an OS is a near posix userland and wired network and storage drivers.
- mekster 5y ago
  I always wondered how FreeBSD foundation is run. https://freebsdfoundation.org/about-us/about-the-foundation/financials/ https://freebsdfoundation.org/about-us/about-the-foundation/... They have so little income with those sponsors and multiple times that expense and who is covering the cost? The total income is like one guy's salary and is that all those big names are paying as sponsors?
  - soupbowl 5y ago
    I am an avid fan and user of FreeBSD, l have wondered the same thing myself over the years.

by mrits 5y ago

jmnicolas 5y ago

> Visual Studio is on more platforms than Windows No, Visual Studio for Macs is a rebranded Mono thing, it has nothing to do with the Windows Visual Studio. There's no VS for Linux. Of course MS had to complicate things by naming their electron editor Visual Studio Code...

pjmlp 5y ago
Nope, Visual Studio for Mac started as a rebranded Mono thing after Xamarin acquisition. Since then, the amount of plugins shared with Visual Studio has increased, which is a reason why Microsoft started pushing to write them in C# instead of COM. Currently it is being rewritten, and should be mostly completly unrelated to Mono Develop by .NET 7 release.

noirbot 5y ago

I'm sure it depends on the games you want to play - competitive games where anti-cheat is a thing, sure, but if you're ideologically against having kernel level anti-cheat then that's not that Linux gaming is bad, it's just that gaming as a whole is bad. Most single-player stuff I've tried has worked fine on Linux with either Lutris + Wine or Steam + Proton. The only games that haven't are super small indie stuff where I just assume they're coded a little poorly in some way.

gundamdoubleO 5y ago

You're kidding right? Linux gaming compatibility has been near ideal for me for the past year and we already know the anti-cheat situation is at least being worked thanks to vendors like Valve. I haven't boot into Windows for a long time for gaming. The only real exceptions being Microsoft exclusives or multiplayer EGS titles.

breakfastduck 5y ago

This comment is wrong on so many levels. But to tackle the main one, gaming on Linux is in the best position it's ever been in. It's not getting 'worse' due to anti cheat, in fact the steamdeck and valve are actively bringing compatibility to linux for those things. What can you possibly be basing your claim on there? Are you aware of proton?

headhuntermdk 5y ago

I'm guessing you haven't heard of Netflix then https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-epyc-cpus-netflix-bandwidth-400-gbps-per-server https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-epyc-cpus-netflix-band...

mrits 5y ago
The widely known use cases for FreeBSD doesn't have much to do with it "excelling" as a server OS.
- Shared404 5y ago
  Where does FreeBSD excel then, because last time I checked all the widely known use cases were split about 50/50 serving and routing, with a side of Playstation. Re: Linux gaming: Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of the MCC playing on my Linux box. And Ori. And Stardew, RoR2, Everspace, XCOM2, SWTOR, Hades, DST, Hollow Knight, FTL, Terraria, Human Fall Flat, Portal 1/2, and a variety of other games. As far as anticheat is concerned, that's actively being worked on by Valve and the largest stake holders.
  - mrits 5y ago
    Now list the games that you can't play
    - Shared404 5y ago
      Literally none that I've tried have given me problems. But to the working games, let me add: Overwatch, League of Legends, Anything from GBA/GB/NES/SNES/DS/OtherRetroSystems, Starcraft. Oh, and Minecraft of course. I'm sure I can come up with more. Edit: One steam library checking later - and I'll note, this is stuff that I've actually played on Linux (and is also filtered by names I think people would recognize): Arma 3, Blitzkrieg 2, Pit People, Castle Crashers, BattleBlock Theater, Unturned, Invisible Inc., Baldurs Gate, Undertale, Speedrunners, Dota 2, Gary's Mod, Everspace, Raft, AoE 3. This makes up the VAST majority of my steam library, none of which was purchased checking for Linux compatibility. It's one thing to say that a specific game you want doesn't work, and quite another to say it in general doesn't work. Edit again: Rocket League. That's it. That's the only one that I know of issues with, and I don't know if it even still has issues - I stopped playing when it required an Epic account. Oh hey, lookie there: https://www.protondb.com/app/252950 https://www.protondb.com/app/252950 . Sounds like that works too.

wang_li 5y ago

>FreeBSD does not excel on the server side. I don't know any companies that even use it and I spent the last decade consulting with hundreds of companies. Examples come to mind: Whatsapp and Hotmail used to use it before being acquired by companies with their own tech stacks. Netflix's streaming service is based on it. Pfsense was based on it at one time, not sure if it still is. Juniper uses it. If you go check out the FreeBSD Foundation donations pages you'll see Facebook, Microsoft, Google, Netflix, and others. Reality is that on the server and in the data center all I need from an OS is a near posix userland and wired network and storage drivers.

mekster 5y ago
I always wondered how FreeBSD foundation is run. https://freebsdfoundation.org/about-us/about-the-foundation/financials/ https://freebsdfoundation.org/about-us/about-the-foundation/... They have so little income with those sponsors and multiple times that expense and who is covering the cost? The total income is like one guy's salary and is that all those big names are paying as sponsors?
- soupbowl 5y ago
  I am an avid fan and user of FreeBSD, l have wondered the same thing myself over the years.