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We can disagree on those premises, but hopefully agree that corporatism better describes the observed phenomenon. Maybe someone else here can take up the more

We can disagree on those premises, but hopefully agree that corporatism better describes the observed phenomenon. Maybe someone else here can take up the more contentious elements of your assertion. There's very little I can say here on HN about these points.

Retric 5y ago
Are you sure corporatism is the word your thinking of? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism Corporatocracy seems like a closer fit to the thrust of your argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy
TrickardRixx 5y ago
If "corporatism" is the name of the condition, then free-market capitalism is the virus that causes the infection.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  Indeed, I purposefully compare 'free market people' with Communists, both live in an imaginary world where human relationships are mechanistic like APIs. In their world everything is perfectly rational, there is no such thing as imbalance of power, market leverage, collusion between competitors, etc. In modern concience people clearly understand how an all-powerfull state can turn tyranical, but when an all-powerfull company turns tyranical it's always a surprise! So you will get "let free market do it's thing without government interference, remove safeguards, guardrails and regulation." Then free market finds that the best way to make money is to form cartels or illegally abuse people who can't afford a layer, or to sell digital eyeballs and organs that require a subscribtion to work and it's a surprised picachu face all over again For some reason these people are madly in love with a system that is basically just natural selection / evolution. They go around saying how planning is pointless because you can't be wiser than evolution is anyway. They seem to forget that evolution had 6 mass extinctions and that 99.9% of all specieces have gone extinct.

Retric 5y ago

Are you sure corporatism is the word your thinking of? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism Corporatocracy seems like a closer fit to the thrust of your argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy

TrickardRixx 5y ago

If "corporatism" is the name of the condition, then free-market capitalism is the virus that causes the infection.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
Indeed, I purposefully compare 'free market people' with Communists, both live in an imaginary world where human relationships are mechanistic like APIs. In their world everything is perfectly rational, there is no such thing as imbalance of power, market leverage, collusion between competitors, etc. In modern concience people clearly understand how an all-powerfull state can turn tyranical, but when an all-powerfull company turns tyranical it's always a surprise! So you will get "let free market do it's thing without government interference, remove safeguards, guardrails and regulation." Then free market finds that the best way to make money is to form cartels or illegally abuse people who can't afford a layer, or to sell digital eyeballs and organs that require a subscribtion to work and it's a surprised picachu face all over again For some reason these people are madly in love with a system that is basically just natural selection / evolution. They go around saying how planning is pointless because you can't be wiser than evolution is anyway. They seem to forget that evolution had 6 mass extinctions and that 99.9% of all specieces have gone extinct.