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I was speaking very generally. I think that my concerns regarding the regulation of individual privacy in the digital realm, and my concerns about the regulatio

by ajxs 5y ago

I was speaking very generally. I think that my concerns regarding the regulation of individual privacy in the digital realm, and my concerns about the regulation of the major players in 'surveillance capitalism' is shared by many. The brokering of PII is such a large, and interconnected business. I would like control over who has access to my medical data, my DNA included.

aww_dang 5y ago
Is it capitalism or corporatism? What's free-market about being compelled by the state to use these services? https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance/ https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci... Pick any major tech platform and you'll find similar connections. The CCP has their own platforms, just like Russia has their own. Digital ID, pushed by WEF isn't being promoted by the free-market. It is better described as corporatism. Hopefully this more accurate terminology will help diffuse the more contentious implications. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Schwab#:~:text=Schwab%20as%20publisher,state%20governance%20systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Schwab#:~:text=Schwab%20....
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  'No true scottsman' free market strikes again. This is an inherent property of the system. Id we didn't have these sort of issues, Communism is a perfect system, USSR wasnt the real deal!
  - aww_dang 5y ago
    We can disagree on those premises, but hopefully agree that corporatism better describes the observed phenomenon. Maybe someone else here can take up the more contentious elements of your assertion. There's very little I can say here on HN about these points.
    - Retric 5y ago
      Are you sure corporatism is the word your thinking of? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism Corporatocracy seems like a closer fit to the thrust of your argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy
    - TrickardRixx 5y ago
      If "corporatism" is the name of the condition, then free-market capitalism is the virus that causes the infection.
      - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
        Indeed, I purposefully compare 'free market people' with Communists, both live in an imaginary world where human relationships are mechanistic like APIs. In their world everything is perfectly rational, there is no such thing as imbalance of power, market leverage, collusion between competitors, etc. In modern concience people clearly understand how an all-powerfull state can turn tyranical, but when an all-powerfull company turns tyranical it's always a surprise! So you will get "let free market do it's thing without government interference, remove safeguards, guardrails and regulation." Then free market finds that the best way to make money is to form cartels or illegally abuse people who can't afford a layer, or to sell digital eyeballs and organs that require a subscribtion to work and it's a surprised picachu face all over again For some reason these people are madly in love with a system that is basically just natural selection / evolution. They go around saying how planning is pointless because you can't be wiser than evolution is anyway. They seem to forget that evolution had 6 mass extinctions and that 99.9% of all specieces have gone extinct.
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- diclofenac 5y ago
- nicoburns 5y ago
  > What's free-market about being compelled by the state to use these services? It's free-market that they are allowed to set a EULA like this which permits them to sell-on your DNA. It's notable that this happened with a private service, not one which was contracted by the state to provide tests.

by ajxs 5y ago

aww_dang 5y ago

Is it capitalism or corporatism? What's free-market about being compelled by the state to use these services? https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance/ https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci... Pick any major tech platform and you'll find similar connections. The CCP has their own platforms, just like Russia has their own. Digital ID, pushed by WEF isn't being promoted by the free-market. It is better described as corporatism. Hopefully this more accurate terminology will help diffuse the more contentious implications. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Schwab#:~:text=Schwab%20as%20publisher,state%20governance%20systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Schwab#:~:text=Schwab%20....

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
'No true scottsman' free market strikes again. This is an inherent property of the system. Id we didn't have these sort of issues, Communism is a perfect system, USSR wasnt the real deal!
- aww_dang 5y ago
  We can disagree on those premises, but hopefully agree that corporatism better describes the observed phenomenon. Maybe someone else here can take up the more contentious elements of your assertion. There's very little I can say here on HN about these points.
  - Retric 5y ago
    Are you sure corporatism is the word your thinking of? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism Corporatocracy seems like a closer fit to the thrust of your argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy
  - TrickardRixx 5y ago
    If "corporatism" is the name of the condition, then free-market capitalism is the virus that causes the infection.
    - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
      Indeed, I purposefully compare 'free market people' with Communists, both live in an imaginary world where human relationships are mechanistic like APIs. In their world everything is perfectly rational, there is no such thing as imbalance of power, market leverage, collusion between competitors, etc. In modern concience people clearly understand how an all-powerfull state can turn tyranical, but when an all-powerfull company turns tyranical it's always a surprise! So you will get "let free market do it's thing without government interference, remove safeguards, guardrails and regulation." Then free market finds that the best way to make money is to form cartels or illegally abuse people who can't afford a layer, or to sell digital eyeballs and organs that require a subscribtion to work and it's a surprised picachu face all over again For some reason these people are madly in love with a system that is basically just natural selection / evolution. They go around saying how planning is pointless because you can't be wiser than evolution is anyway. They seem to forget that evolution had 6 mass extinctions and that 99.9% of all specieces have gone extinct.
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diclofenac 5y ago
nicoburns 5y ago
> What's free-market about being compelled by the state to use these services? It's free-market that they are allowed to set a EULA like this which permits them to sell-on your DNA. It's notable that this happened with a private service, not one which was contracted by the state to provide tests.