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To desperately cling to the past out of fear of the future.

bigp3t3 5y ago
While I'm sure we all understand your sentiment, I think you're missing the point. This isn't the future we /users/ want. It's the future that corporations, silly commities and greed-/arrogance-/bling-motivated decision makers are dictating to the rest of the world. What we're witnessing in these Thinkpad, right-to-repair, yEaR oF tEh nix dEsKtop conversations, is people taking back control of the devices we own. At the cost of compromises the same decision makers are not willing to allow you to make. It's easy to look at these case studys as outliers or edge cases as someone who probably lives in the first world, adding to the pile of e-waste by perpetuating and encouraging the behaviour supporting companies like Apple. What I see as an IT engineer at mid-size MSP is the SMB/SME market and their staff struggle with adapting to the ever-changing technologies. I feel their pain, because I'm the one that has to make old work with new. Privateers and coders get to choose their environment for the most part. Businesses have baggage, standard operating procedures and a mix of requirements. And then you get people like Apple thinking we can all live wirelessly or with exorbitantly priced adapters and less choice as consumers of their products... it's arrogant and user-hostile.
anthk 5y ago
One day you'll understand that everything it's cyclic. Flat interfaces will be toshed out for semi 3D interfaces such as the ones from Aqua/Haiku/Windows 9x and so on. Most of the Linux solutions are overengineered, btw. They had to release Pipewire for everything as OpenBSD did with sndio. And yet ALSA adds a layer of cruft and complications. Sndio+OSS just works. So, I think keeping yourself on a simple design path makes the future much easier. For example, MTP on phones suck, up to the point that using SFTP with some server from FDROID makes the data sharing back and forth much, much better. Ditto with rclone vs 200 providers with their own GUI for everything. Or age and/or signify vs OpenSSL or GPG2 being used to encrypt files where those have options for everything encrypting/signing related.
- AshamedCaptain 5y ago
  MTP (not a Linux solution anyway) is several orders of magnitude simpler than SFTP, though (no encryption to begin with, albeit there is XML which sadly may compete in complexity).
  - anthk 5y ago
    Eh, MTP often doesn't work and USB stacks are far more tricky than Eth. On transferring files sftp/mc works fine, while MTP often hangs.
    - AshamedCaptain 5y ago
      That is my point; it is simpler and yet more problematic. "Simplicity rules" only works up to a point.
linksnapzz 5y ago
The future, as defined as what's a hot topic during next quarter's hype cycle.

While I'm sure we all understand your sentiment, I think you're missing the point. This isn't the future we /users/ want. It's the future that corporations, silly commities and greed-/arrogance-/bling-motivated decision makers are dictating to the rest of the world. What we're witnessing in these Thinkpad, right-to-repair, yEaR oF tEh nix dEsKtop conversations, is people taking back control of the devices we own. At the cost of compromises the same decision makers are not willing to allow you to make. It's easy to look at these case studys as outliers or edge cases as someone who probably lives in the first world, adding to the pile of e-waste by perpetuating and encouraging the behaviour supporting companies like Apple. What I see as an IT engineer at mid-size MSP is the SMB/SME market and their staff struggle with adapting to the ever-changing technologies. I feel their pain, because I'm the one that has to make old work with new. Privateers and coders get to choose their environment for the most part. Businesses have baggage, standard operating procedures and a mix of requirements. And then you get people like Apple thinking we can all live wirelessly or with exorbitantly priced adapters and less choice as consumers of their products... it's arrogant and user-hostile.

anthk 5y ago

One day you'll understand that everything it's cyclic. Flat interfaces will be toshed out for semi 3D interfaces such as the ones from Aqua/Haiku/Windows 9x and so on. Most of the Linux solutions are overengineered, btw. They had to release Pipewire for everything as OpenBSD did with sndio. And yet ALSA adds a layer of cruft and complications. Sndio+OSS just works. So, I think keeping yourself on a simple design path makes the future much easier. For example, MTP on phones suck, up to the point that using SFTP with some server from FDROID makes the data sharing back and forth much, much better. Ditto with rclone vs 200 providers with their own GUI for everything. Or age and/or signify vs OpenSSL or GPG2 being used to encrypt files where those have options for everything encrypting/signing related.

AshamedCaptain 5y ago
MTP (not a Linux solution anyway) is several orders of magnitude simpler than SFTP, though (no encryption to begin with, albeit there is XML which sadly may compete in complexity).
- anthk 5y ago
  Eh, MTP often doesn't work and USB stacks are far more tricky than Eth. On transferring files sftp/mc works fine, while MTP often hangs.
  - AshamedCaptain 5y ago
    That is my point; it is simpler and yet more problematic. "Simplicity rules" only works up to a point.

linksnapzz 5y ago

The future, as defined as what's a hot topic during next quarter's hype cycle.