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People are still cheering for the Patriot missile in unwarranted circumstances. Everyone calling for war with Russia seems to ignore the fact that the Patriot

by aa-jv 5y ago

People are still cheering for the Patriot missile in unwarranted circumstances. Everyone calling for war with Russia seems to ignore the fact that the Patriot batteries that are 'simply defending a NATO members territory' are switched to attack weapons with a simple software change, meaning that the difference between safety and catastrophe is, as always with the Patriot technology, just a matter of software ..

edrxty 5y ago
They don't have warheads designed for surface strike. Do you mind elaborating on what you mean by this?
- gambiting 5y ago
  As a complete noob when it comes to weaponry - why would it need a warehead specifically designed for a surface strike? A missile going 1000km/h+ doesn't even need to explode at the target to cause some incredible damage when it hits, does it?
  - adriancr 5y ago
    A tomahawk can carry 450kg of conventional explosives or up to 150kt nuclear warhead. Compare that to a patriot which has a different purpose and was optimized to carry almost nothing. One can wipe out a large area, the other is like a large arrow... might not even penetrate a tanks armor?
- the_biot 5y ago
  aa-jv posts pro-Russian propaganda. Don't feed the trolls.
  - aa-jv 5y ago
    Not true at all. Anti-war != Pro-Russia.
    - reducesuffering 5y ago
      You still anti-war? Or you still calling everyone NATO bootlickers as Russia bombs the people of Ukraine… The irony is you were the Russian tyrant bootlicker all along. You said about Russian military on Ukraine border, there was: “Nothing at all wrong with that, one bit.” I’m not sure where you fell off, but if you ever considered yourself anti-war, I’m here to tell your younger self that you’ve been led far far astray…
      - aa-jv 5y ago
        I'm very much still anti-war, and just as disappointed in things as anyone, but I fail to see how NATO bootlickers have done anything BUT promote this situation and create the conditions for our current circumstances. Yes, I consider NATO an aggressor, and it has finally accomplished the breech in European peace that has been planned since 2008. Here, I'll spell it out for you: Russian military in their borders: okay. Russian military in Kiev: not okay. American military in Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Turkey, Greece, Croatia, Hungary, Slovakia, Czech-Republic: not okay. American military in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen: not okay. Get the picture? If so, please color in red crayon the states above that are currently on fire, emitting endless streams of war refugees, and press hard if those states have been that way since the Western coalition started WW3 in 2003 .. speaking of 'being led astray'.
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leto_ii 5y ago
You might be confusing Patriot with Aegis ashore [1]. That's the one that is usually suspected of having offensive capabilities (by replacing interceptors with Tomahawk missiles that could hypothetically have nuclear payloads). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Ballistic_Missile_Defense_System#Aegis_Ashore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Ballistic_Missile_Defens...
pjc50 5y ago
> Everyone calling for war with Russia This list needs to include Russia themselves, who've been ramping up the hostile internal propaganda and moving their troops to the front.

by aa-jv 5y ago

edrxty 5y ago

They don't have warheads designed for surface strike. Do you mind elaborating on what you mean by this?

gambiting 5y ago
As a complete noob when it comes to weaponry - why would it need a warehead specifically designed for a surface strike? A missile going 1000km/h+ doesn't even need to explode at the target to cause some incredible damage when it hits, does it?
- adriancr 5y ago
  A tomahawk can carry 450kg of conventional explosives or up to 150kt nuclear warhead. Compare that to a patriot which has a different purpose and was optimized to carry almost nothing. One can wipe out a large area, the other is like a large arrow... might not even penetrate a tanks armor?
the_biot 5y ago
aa-jv posts pro-Russian propaganda. Don't feed the trolls.
- aa-jv 5y ago
  Not true at all. Anti-war != Pro-Russia.
  - reducesuffering 5y ago
    You still anti-war? Or you still calling everyone NATO bootlickers as Russia bombs the people of Ukraine… The irony is you were the Russian tyrant bootlicker all along. You said about Russian military on Ukraine border, there was: “Nothing at all wrong with that, one bit.” I’m not sure where you fell off, but if you ever considered yourself anti-war, I’m here to tell your younger self that you’ve been led far far astray…
    - aa-jv 5y ago
      I'm very much still anti-war, and just as disappointed in things as anyone, but I fail to see how NATO bootlickers have done anything BUT promote this situation and create the conditions for our current circumstances. Yes, I consider NATO an aggressor, and it has finally accomplished the breech in European peace that has been planned since 2008. Here, I'll spell it out for you: Russian military in their borders: okay. Russian military in Kiev: not okay. American military in Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Turkey, Greece, Croatia, Hungary, Slovakia, Czech-Republic: not okay. American military in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen: not okay. Get the picture? If so, please color in red crayon the states above that are currently on fire, emitting endless streams of war refugees, and press hard if those states have been that way since the Western coalition started WW3 in 2003 .. speaking of 'being led astray'.

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leto_ii 5y ago

You might be confusing Patriot with Aegis ashore [1]. That's the one that is usually suspected of having offensive capabilities (by replacing interceptors with Tomahawk missiles that could hypothetically have nuclear payloads). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Ballistic_Missile_Defense_System#Aegis_Ashore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Ballistic_Missile_Defens...

pjc50 5y ago

> Everyone calling for war with Russia This list needs to include Russia themselves, who've been ramping up the hostile internal propaganda and moving their troops to the front.