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This from her seemed dangerously like fraud: https://www.ted.com/talks/gwynne_shotwell_spacex_s_plan_to_fly_you_across_the_globe_in_30_minutes https://www.ted.
by cma 5y ago
This from her seemed dangerously like fraud:
https://www.ted.com/talks/gwynne_shotwell_spacex_s_plan_to_fly_you_across_the_globe_in_30_minutes https://www.ted.com/talks/gwynne_shotwell_spacex_s_plan_to_f...
Passenger service by 2028 on starship for between an economy and business class ticket.
A couple years later they confirmed they were still going for the same timeline.
- irjustin 5y ago> This from her seemed dangerously like fraud Pretty heavy statement. Which part is the fraud? The timeline or the ability? I think it's fair to say far-fetched, but the label fraud or even "sounding like fraud" sounds too heavy.
- masswerk 5y agoMaybe that the system requires starts at sea because of destructive noise levels, but most of the destinations listed in the video are either land-locked or don't have that kind of access to free coast lines? You can argue future technicalities, but not geography.
- mlindner 5y agoThe person thinks it's fraud because they watched videos by a propagandist who goes by the name "common sense skeptic" who makes videos that sound a lot like the people who make videos about flat earth. I say this as they quote all the same talking points of that person.
- masswerk 5y agoHonestly, I don't know what to think of a CEO, who publicly puts her authority behind a video suggesting that doing anything off the open coast line of Zürich may be a viable business proposition. (It's a bit like selling a technology driven by the glaciers of New Mexico.)
- borkyborkbork 5y agoAlmost like someone who would think that they could do something that whole countries haven't been able to do in 60+ years?
- masswerk 5y agoI may be able to get my hands on a rare Swiss seaside property. Interested? ;-)
- runnerup 5y agoI'm not a fan of Elon Musk. I can absolutely see regular passenger service on Starship by 2028. Obviously that's a very aspirational price-point but I don't see how even a strict ruling on fraud would uphold that charge.
- kisstheblade 5y agoReally? In 5 years ROCKETS will be as safe as airplanes? And as cheap? And possible to fly over cities etc (talking about Shotwells promises here)? You really think this?
- CryptoPunk 5y ago*reusable rockets. Rocket launches are associated with very high costs because rockets have historically been one-time use.
- alpaca128 5y agoReusable rockets aren't coincidentally many orders of magnitude safer though. They would need to be just to come even with airplanes. It would also involve acceleration forces far beyond anything a normal passenger would accept. I'd be glad to be wrong, but I have yet to see an analysis that actually does the math and doesn't result in something along the lines of "this concept is insane and doomed to fail". Spaceship would probably make a good spaceship. But using it for quick flights between cities is less realistic than airlines reviving the Concorde.
- CryptoPunk 5y agoVery true. Though the high costs historically associated with rocket launches have precluded the kind of scale needed to achieve extreme safety. This will change if SpaceX succeeds with Starship, though of course it will take a long time to iterate enough on safety to achieve the extremely high standard seen in aviation, or at least as high of a standard as is possible with rocket transportation, and then establish a long enough track record that consumers can trust it.
- TaylorAlexander 5y agoGiving a talk in 2018 to say their new product might be ready in 2028 is maybe too hopeful, but that's not what fraud is.