> I would call the situation untenable when the local police are no longer under control of their civilian governments, and I would say at that point the federa

> I would call the situation untenable when the local police are no longer under control of their civilian governments, and I would say at that point the federal police stepping in is entirely appropriate. This is not how Canada works unfortunately. Provinces there are essentially in control of everything and either have to make the requests for help or appear derelict enough in their duties for the federal government to step in. Ottawa is on one side of a river which makes up the eastern border between Ontario and Quebec and a sizeable portion of the people who live and work there cross the river each day. In order to ask the Quebec police forces that are literally in zipline distance of the place this is happening (hyperbole but not by much[1]), Ottawa had to jump through a bunch of hoops, and basically this emergency act use allowed them to ask for help from someone other than Provincial (OPP) and Federal (RCMP) forces. > Part of their actions should include holding the insubordinate and corrupt local police accountable. (Also note how I said the easiest thing gets used, not the most authoritarian) This has actually been done. The police chief's been forced to resign, as have the city councilors who were running the police services board of the city (the leadership was essentially voted out and then a few more on the board resigned in protest). The problem is these things take time. Had the police simply done their jobs from day 1 we wouldn't be here. I have posted a great deal about this situation in the past weeks and I think I would actually be in favor of these political posts being removed from HN entirely for a couple of reasons: 1. Something that is VERY unusual crops up: lack of nuance or research on replies. This isn't unique to this event; I've noticed it about a few of the political/politicized threads in the past. 2. Making no assumptions about yourself, HN is primarily American and so everything is viewed through that lens. The problem with that is that not every country has the same history, culture, legal system, political system, etc. Invariably posters slip into "this is right, this is not" and there's no room for the middle ground. [1]: https://interzip.ca/en/faq https://interzip.ca/en/faq