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And it's not because you anticipated the "No True Scotsman" defense that I will refrain from using it as it is totally relevant. Using one specific case to disp

And it's not because you anticipated the "No True Scotsman" defense that I will refrain from using it as it is totally relevant. Using one specific case to disprove an entire methodology, be it such a poor counter-example, is "shaky evidence" at best. But I'm the one who should get a stats education, right? Once again, good luck to find any success in your angry little ivory tower, as luck seems to be the only thing that can save you. End of trolling.

plinkplonk 15y ago
"Using one specific case to disprove an entire methodology, be it such a poor counter-example, is "shaky evidence" at best." heh but you used equally anecdotal data and equally shaky evidence to support the snake oil methods. I quote "I have experienced lean software first hand and I can tell you it is no fad. I have set up Kanban in companies a couple of times and the results were excellent" So you say. Your anecdotes and experience are valid but mine are not. ;) Very convincing. This is the standard snake oil salesman defense- when a methodology fails it is always because people didn't do it right. Nothing intrinsically screwy with the fad itself. And when you claim some unverifiable successes that is convincing evidence about the intrinsic soundness of whatever you are defending. Pathetic. For every anecdotal "success story" you can find an equally anecdotal "failure story". Which was the point. And went right over your head. There was no claim this was evidence. (as someone trained in engineering and stats, I use the word "evidence" and "proof" very carefully). "But I'm the one who should get a stats education, right?" well you are the one who brought in an agile methodologists silly home grown survey as 'evidence' (when specifically asked for a non vendorware peer reviewed citation mind you) for some grandiose claims. This shows (assuming you weren't just trolling) that you don't know how to judge the statistical validity of a survey or when to use one as evidence. If you really believe Ambler's marketing spin on agile is some kind of convincing 'evidence' for the validity of "lean software" you definitely need to learn some stats (among other things). "End of trolling." Thank You for finally admitting you were trolling. That clears things up. Wrong forum. On HN the assumption is that people are being genuine even if their writing style is abrasive. If I thought you were trolling (vs just being a bit incoherent) I wouldn't have responded to you at all. Live and learn :)

plinkplonk 15y ago

"Using one specific case to disprove an entire methodology, be it such a poor counter-example, is "shaky evidence" at best." heh but you used equally anecdotal data and equally shaky evidence to support the snake oil methods. I quote "I have experienced lean software first hand and I can tell you it is no fad. I have set up Kanban in companies a couple of times and the results were excellent" So you say. Your anecdotes and experience are valid but mine are not. ;) Very convincing. This is the standard snake oil salesman defense- when a methodology fails it is always because people didn't do it right. Nothing intrinsically screwy with the fad itself. And when you claim some unverifiable successes that is convincing evidence about the intrinsic soundness of whatever you are defending. Pathetic. For every anecdotal "success story" you can find an equally anecdotal "failure story". Which was the point. And went right over your head. There was no claim this was evidence. (as someone trained in engineering and stats, I use the word "evidence" and "proof" very carefully). "But I'm the one who should get a stats education, right?" well you are the one who brought in an agile methodologists silly home grown survey as 'evidence' (when specifically asked for a non vendorware peer reviewed citation mind you) for some grandiose claims. This shows (assuming you weren't just trolling) that you don't know how to judge the statistical validity of a survey or when to use one as evidence. If you really believe Ambler's marketing spin on agile is some kind of convincing 'evidence' for the validity of "lean software" you definitely need to learn some stats (among other things). "End of trolling." Thank You for finally admitting you were trolling. That clears things up. Wrong forum. On HN the assumption is that people are being genuine even if their writing style is abrasive. If I thought you were trolling (vs just being a bit incoherent) I wouldn't have responded to you at all. Live and learn :)