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I wouldn't call Discord snappy, not even close, Telegram is way snappier for example... But Teams is certainly on another league (for the worse). VSCode isn't

I wouldn't call Discord snappy, not even close, Telegram is way snappier for example... But Teams is certainly on another league (for the worse). VSCode isn't that snappy either but it's decent enough. If every Electron app was like that "It's slow because it's Electron" wouldn't be such a meme.

musicale 5y ago
VSCode is clunky but almost usable. I like that it's multiplatform, free, and relatively capable, but I dislike its clunky and very non-snappy user experience. VSCode really needs better competition than clunky Java IDEs from the likes of JetBrains or Eclipse or platform-specific native IDEs like Xcode.
- sirwhinesalot 5y ago
  Xcode is abysmal, I would honestly feel sorry for Apple devs if not for how much money they make. Last time I used it even autocompletion was broken (it would write the text 1 character ahead). But yeah there's clearly room for a snappier LSP-based editor, preferably one with a toolbar.
  - herbturbo 5y ago
    I've been using Xcode every working day for over 12 years and on the whole it has been excellent. It definitely has some quirks but it is a feature rich workhorse. It has integrated docs, simulators, unit/UI test functionality inc coverage reports, live UI debugging, tons of profiling tools, and I can use it to upload my apps straight to App Store Connect. Starting with XCode 13 I also have built in CI/CD. I can build, profile, test and deploy a whole app on multiple platforms from scratch with it. And its free.
    - sirwhinesalot 5y ago
      Every release of Xcode has been a buggy mess. Every. Single. One. It certainly has lots of features but I'd much rather it had less features and more polish. The worst sin a tool can make is to be unreliable and that's the best word I can use to describe Xcode.
      - alimov 5y ago
        “Every. Single. One.” There have been some bugs here and there, but it’s really not the mess you’re claiming it to be.
        sirwhinesalot 5y ago
        The Apple App Store likes to show reviews that are tied to a country, but at least for the ones I see Xcode sits at a proud 2.6 stars, with hundreds of 1 star reviews complaining about bugs and crashes. Certainly reflects my experience as well. When the text editor of a development environment doesn't work right, I mean, shouldn't that be job number 1? Search google for "Xcode bugs", you'll see thread after thread of complaints. I can find major complaints of bugs and crashes going all the way from 9 years ago to the latest Xcode release, no other development environment has this many complaints. It is by far the most buggy and crash prone development environment available today. People _happily_ pay for AppCode for a reason.
        hackerfromthefu 5y ago
        You're right, XCode is full of bugs are here AND there. Ideally it would be here OR there, ie much less of them!
      - jamil7 5y ago
        The last few are actually alright but there did seem to a be period where it broke every release and dropped highlighting and completion as sourcekit would crap out. Word is internal apple devs were also annoyed and complaining frequently.
  - alimov 5y ago
    I love Xcode and wish it offered support for more languages.
- seanw444 5y ago
  Hence why people still prefer to use Emacs and Vim.
seizeheures 5y ago
If you’re talking about Telegram Desktop it’s written in C++ with Qt for the UI, I don’t think it’s even really comparable to Discord in that regard

musicale 5y ago

VSCode is clunky but almost usable. I like that it's multiplatform, free, and relatively capable, but I dislike its clunky and very non-snappy user experience. VSCode really needs better competition than clunky Java IDEs from the likes of JetBrains or Eclipse or platform-specific native IDEs like Xcode.

sirwhinesalot 5y ago
Xcode is abysmal, I would honestly feel sorry for Apple devs if not for how much money they make. Last time I used it even autocompletion was broken (it would write the text 1 character ahead). But yeah there's clearly room for a snappier LSP-based editor, preferably one with a toolbar.
- herbturbo 5y ago
  I've been using Xcode every working day for over 12 years and on the whole it has been excellent. It definitely has some quirks but it is a feature rich workhorse. It has integrated docs, simulators, unit/UI test functionality inc coverage reports, live UI debugging, tons of profiling tools, and I can use it to upload my apps straight to App Store Connect. Starting with XCode 13 I also have built in CI/CD. I can build, profile, test and deploy a whole app on multiple platforms from scratch with it. And its free.
  - sirwhinesalot 5y ago
    Every release of Xcode has been a buggy mess. Every. Single. One. It certainly has lots of features but I'd much rather it had less features and more polish. The worst sin a tool can make is to be unreliable and that's the best word I can use to describe Xcode.
    - alimov 5y ago
      “Every. Single. One.” There have been some bugs here and there, but it’s really not the mess you’re claiming it to be.
      - sirwhinesalot 5y ago
        The Apple App Store likes to show reviews that are tied to a country, but at least for the ones I see Xcode sits at a proud 2.6 stars, with hundreds of 1 star reviews complaining about bugs and crashes. Certainly reflects my experience as well. When the text editor of a development environment doesn't work right, I mean, shouldn't that be job number 1? Search google for "Xcode bugs", you'll see thread after thread of complaints. I can find major complaints of bugs and crashes going all the way from 9 years ago to the latest Xcode release, no other development environment has this many complaints. It is by far the most buggy and crash prone development environment available today. People _happily_ pay for AppCode for a reason.
      - hackerfromthefu 5y ago
        You're right, XCode is full of bugs are here AND there. Ideally it would be here OR there, ie much less of them!
    - jamil7 5y ago
      The last few are actually alright but there did seem to a be period where it broke every release and dropped highlighting and completion as sourcekit would crap out. Word is internal apple devs were also annoyed and complaining frequently.
- alimov 5y ago
  I love Xcode and wish it offered support for more languages.
seanw444 5y ago
Hence why people still prefer to use Emacs and Vim.

seizeheures 5y ago

If you’re talking about Telegram Desktop it’s written in C++ with Qt for the UI, I don’t think it’s even really comparable to Discord in that regard