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>This is something people tend go to prison for. Woah, didn't expect that one. >Nope, you just misunderstand how sanctions usually work. I'm certainly missin

>This is something people tend go to prison for. Woah, didn't expect that one. >Nope, you just misunderstand how sanctions usually work. I'm certainly missing something. My understanding is that bitcoin is specifically capable of bypassing sanctions: https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-circumvent-economic-sanctions-iran/ https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-circumvent-economic-sanctio... As has been proven in the middle east, venezuela, russia, etc. https://www.cryptoglobe.com/latest/2018/06/can-bitcoin-end-international-economic-sanctions-and-create-a-fairer-world/ https://www.cryptoglobe.com/latest/2018/06/can-bitcoin-end-i... Here's my understanding of sanctions: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/10/economic-sanctions.asp https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/10/economic-... I'm not sure what I'm missing. Though admittedly the one link touches on something real. Without sanctions, you kind of might open up the requirement for violence.

baybal2 5y ago
Yes, USA, Canada, or entite Western world sanctions only work if you have their financial infrastructure in the way. It makes 0 difference to a typical BTC cash out shop in the third world.
- rosndo 5y ago
  Bullshit. Third world banks still care about where your money comes from, they have more than just their own government to answer to. If you lie to the bank about the origins of the money, you’re almost certainly violating the law. Sure, you can probably get physical cash in some third world country. Good luck financing protests in Canada with that.
  - baybal2 5y ago
    > Third world banks still care about where your money comes from They care even less than banks used by mobs owning half of Piccadilly, and those are not third world banks, but first world's most biggest, and most powerful ones. > you’re almost certainly violating the law. At least in Russia, you aren't. No provable damages = no charge. And even if it is, only "aggravated, and particularly large fraud" carries a criminal sentence. > Good luck financing protests in Canada with that. If you haven't been reading news as of last half a decade, "money in bags" worked spectacularly well for KGB financing political opposition in the West. > Bullshit Do not swear
    - rosndo 5y ago
      > They care even less than banks used by mobs owning half of Piccadilly, and those are not third world banks, but first world's most biggest, and most powrful ones Apples and oranges. Truck protestors are nothing like the ”mobs” you speak of. > At least in Russia, you aren't. No provable damages = no charge. And even if it is, only "aggravated, and particularly large fraud" carries a criminal sentence. Even if that’s the whole story, you still haven’t solved the problem of getting the money out of Russia. > If you haven't been reading news as of last half a decade, "money in bags" worked spectacularly well for KGB financing political opposition in the West. The KGB has not even existed for multiple decades.
      - baybal2 5y ago
        > The KGB has not even existed for multiple decades. KGB lives, merged with mafia, and now owns a whole nuclear state after a few rebrandings.
        rosndo 5y ago
        Why can’t we just refer to things with their real names instead of playing games? Does the story just fall apart when “the mob” is revealed to be people like Chichvarkin?
rosndo 5y ago
> Woah, didn't expect that one. Trying to work around sanctions tends to lead to you violating a variety of laws around the world, anything from money laundering to bank fraud. Why bank fraud? No bank will want funds originating from Canadian-sanctioned bitcoins, people holding these funds will almost inevitably have to defraud someone in order to cash them out. > I'm not sure what I'm missing. Regular bank transfers can work around sanctions too, governments have to do a lot of work to track the activities of those trying to work around sanctions. Sanctions are a tool you use against your adversaries who are usually located in unfriendly countries, they are expected to be difficult to enforce. In this case the people holding the private keys to the sanctioned addresses are probably located in the US, the DOJ will not look kindly on them.

baybal2 5y ago

Yes, USA, Canada, or entite Western world sanctions only work if you have their financial infrastructure in the way. It makes 0 difference to a typical BTC cash out shop in the third world.

rosndo 5y ago
Bullshit. Third world banks still care about where your money comes from, they have more than just their own government to answer to. If you lie to the bank about the origins of the money, you’re almost certainly violating the law. Sure, you can probably get physical cash in some third world country. Good luck financing protests in Canada with that.
- baybal2 5y ago
  > Third world banks still care about where your money comes from They care even less than banks used by mobs owning half of Piccadilly, and those are not third world banks, but first world's most biggest, and most powerful ones. > you’re almost certainly violating the law. At least in Russia, you aren't. No provable damages = no charge. And even if it is, only "aggravated, and particularly large fraud" carries a criminal sentence. > Good luck financing protests in Canada with that. If you haven't been reading news as of last half a decade, "money in bags" worked spectacularly well for KGB financing political opposition in the West. > Bullshit Do not swear
  - rosndo 5y ago
    > They care even less than banks used by mobs owning half of Piccadilly, and those are not third world banks, but first world's most biggest, and most powrful ones Apples and oranges. Truck protestors are nothing like the ”mobs” you speak of. > At least in Russia, you aren't. No provable damages = no charge. And even if it is, only "aggravated, and particularly large fraud" carries a criminal sentence. Even if that’s the whole story, you still haven’t solved the problem of getting the money out of Russia. > If you haven't been reading news as of last half a decade, "money in bags" worked spectacularly well for KGB financing political opposition in the West. The KGB has not even existed for multiple decades.
    - baybal2 5y ago
      > The KGB has not even existed for multiple decades. KGB lives, merged with mafia, and now owns a whole nuclear state after a few rebrandings.
      - rosndo 5y ago
        Why can’t we just refer to things with their real names instead of playing games? Does the story just fall apart when “the mob” is revealed to be people like Chichvarkin?

rosndo 5y ago

> Woah, didn't expect that one. Trying to work around sanctions tends to lead to you violating a variety of laws around the world, anything from money laundering to bank fraud. Why bank fraud? No bank will want funds originating from Canadian-sanctioned bitcoins, people holding these funds will almost inevitably have to defraud someone in order to cash them out. > I'm not sure what I'm missing. Regular bank transfers can work around sanctions too, governments have to do a lot of work to track the activities of those trying to work around sanctions. Sanctions are a tool you use against your adversaries who are usually located in unfriendly countries, they are expected to be difficult to enforce. In this case the people holding the private keys to the sanctioned addresses are probably located in the US, the DOJ will not look kindly on them.