> Does GTK4 provide any viable model of development if one doesn't want to target GNOME or elementary? It's possible to make apps using GTK3 without libhandy,

> Does GTK4 provide any viable model of development if one doesn't want to target GNOME or elementary? It's possible to make apps using GTK3 without libhandy, so I don't see why you couldn't make apps using GTK4 without libadwaita. Technically, libadwaita is just a bunch of widgets. Apparently it's a very useful bunch of widgets. > Even LibreOffice has now decided to use libadwaita. Does that mean LibreOffice's GTK version is only intended for GNOME? I guess so. Either that, or they're intending to use libadwaita in an “off-label” way. > If yes, GTK4 is basically a toolkit for GNOME masquerading as a general purpose toolkit. The whole reason libadwaita's widgets are not just part of GTK is so that GTK doesn't have to cater to GNOME, and can be a more general-purpose toolkit. Libadwaita 1.0 was just released last month, so presumably it will take some time for that to come to fruition.