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>A second important aspect is that if someone becomes infected with SARS-CoV-2, they may pass the virus to other people, including those who may be more vulnera

by bacro 5y ago

>A second important aspect is that if someone becomes infected with SARS-CoV-2, they may pass the virus to other people, including those who may be more vulnerable to severe disease, so that's another reason that's rooted in social responsibility -- vaccination is the more ethical choice, in our view. Stopped reading there. Someone vaccinated still continue to spread the virus just as the not vaccinated when infected (Yes, the vaccine does not prevent the infection). This is FUD to me (again). Show me a study where someone that has good levels of vitamin d, zinc and magnesium is more at a risk than someone that was vaccinated. I will continue to bet on those than on vaccines, specially after the same interview says this when asked if we should worry that the mRNA from the vaccines can be found in lymph nodes up to 8 weeks after vaccination: > Lymph nodes contain specialized cells that capture foreign proteins, including vaccine components, and display them for a period of time to the B cells that make antibodies. We suspect that these cells may be retaining the vaccine mRNA in addition to the viral spike protein.We don't have evidence that this is a cause for concern, especially given the very low rates of adverse events in people receiving these vaccines. Yeah, we have a suspicion of why that is and we do not have evidence that this is a cause for concern, so it should be ok!

Yerui 5y ago
You are aware that the infection time is 40% lower when you are vaccinated. So that does help. I'm also not sure if you are serious about Vitamine d, zinc and magnesium. A normal person has no real issues with those basic things. Of course a normal non vaccinated person has a higher risk than a vaccinated. Vitamin d, zinc and magnesium doesn't do shit.
- bacro 5y ago
  >I'm also not sure if you are serious about Vitamine d, zinc and magnesium. A normal person has no real issues with those basic things. Really? Here is a link for you: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34749737/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34749737/ Most of the population is deficient in any/all of those which are crucial for the immune system. I advocate that we should keep our body working as intended, so give it the vitamins/minerals it needs, exercise, avoid stress and sleep well. I would like a study for people that check all those boxes and are not vaccinated against people that do not check those boxes and are vaccinated to see how well the vaccines really are. Covid 19 deaths are blown out of proportion. Here in Portugal if you die and you had Covid, even if it was not the cause, it would be counted as a death by Covid. So, if you get hit by a piano when you are walking the street and had Covid, Covid is what officially killed you.
  - Yerui 5y ago
    I might missed this but we're does your paper says that having normal levels of vitamin d etc is equal or better as a vaccine?
    - bacro 5y ago
      You might be misleading because that paper was in your response when you said "Vitamin d, zinc and magnesium doesn't do shit.", which that paper clearly debunks. But yeah, as I said in my OP, I would love to have a study comparing those. I will continue to take my chances with Vitamin D, Zinc and Magnesium than with a vaccine that was rushed.
      - Yerui 5y ago
SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
> Someone vaccinated still continue to spread the virus just as the not vaccinated when infected (Yes, the vaccine does not prevent the infection). if I take your words "just as" to mean that 1) vaccination against COVID-19 provides no reduction at all in rates of infection and 2) vaccination against COVID-19 provides no reduction at all in bad outcomes, including spreading the virus to others, Then that's simply false. if you mean "it can still happen" then that's true but badly misleading. As you said "Stopped reading, this is FUD".
- bacro 5y ago
  Take my words by what they mean, i.e., 1) not 2), which seems logical to me when I say that vaccine doe not prevent infection. In Portugal 90+% of the population is vaccinated, however we have a much higher number of infections than ever. So, this is not FUD as you say...

by bacro 5y ago

Yerui 5y ago

You are aware that the infection time is 40% lower when you are vaccinated. So that does help. I'm also not sure if you are serious about Vitamine d, zinc and magnesium. A normal person has no real issues with those basic things. Of course a normal non vaccinated person has a higher risk than a vaccinated. Vitamin d, zinc and magnesium doesn't do shit.

bacro 5y ago
>I'm also not sure if you are serious about Vitamine d, zinc and magnesium. A normal person has no real issues with those basic things. Really? Here is a link for you: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34749737/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34749737/ Most of the population is deficient in any/all of those which are crucial for the immune system. I advocate that we should keep our body working as intended, so give it the vitamins/minerals it needs, exercise, avoid stress and sleep well. I would like a study for people that check all those boxes and are not vaccinated against people that do not check those boxes and are vaccinated to see how well the vaccines really are. Covid 19 deaths are blown out of proportion. Here in Portugal if you die and you had Covid, even if it was not the cause, it would be counted as a death by Covid. So, if you get hit by a piano when you are walking the street and had Covid, Covid is what officially killed you.
- Yerui 5y ago
  I might missed this but we're does your paper says that having normal levels of vitamin d etc is equal or better as a vaccine?
  - bacro 5y ago
    You might be misleading because that paper was in your response when you said "Vitamin d, zinc and magnesium doesn't do shit.", which that paper clearly debunks. But yeah, as I said in my OP, I would love to have a study comparing those. I will continue to take my chances with Vitamin D, Zinc and Magnesium than with a vaccine that was rushed.
    - Yerui 5y ago

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago

> Someone vaccinated still continue to spread the virus just as the not vaccinated when infected (Yes, the vaccine does not prevent the infection). if I take your words "just as" to mean that 1) vaccination against COVID-19 provides no reduction at all in rates of infection and 2) vaccination against COVID-19 provides no reduction at all in bad outcomes, including spreading the virus to others, Then that's simply false. if you mean "it can still happen" then that's true but badly misleading. As you said "Stopped reading, this is FUD".

bacro 5y ago
Take my words by what they mean, i.e., 1) not 2), which seems logical to me when I say that vaccine doe not prevent infection. In Portugal 90+% of the population is vaccinated, however we have a much higher number of infections than ever. So, this is not FUD as you say...