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Tell HN: Can we surface the M1 Mac laggy/choppy cursor and scroll bug?

• etimberg 5y ago
  I have similar issues on Catalina on an Intel MBP. It's really frustrating
• e4e78a06 5y ago
  Happens to me on an Intel MBP when I use the trackpad at the same time I have a wireless (dongle) mouse connected.
• jbverschoor 5y ago
  Yeah I sometimes have the same, but it comes and goes. It's very weird. I have it with the internal trackpad
• pwinnski 5y ago
  Weirdly, I've been getting a laggy/choppy cursor since upgrading from Catalina to Monterey--but not on my M1 Mac mini, on my Intel MBP. I think this is part of what makes things like this hard: most people might be misdiagnosing what they're seeing.
• ben7799 5y ago
  I also have definitely had this on my 2021 Intel 16” MBP but NOT on my M1 MBP. Intel is on Big Sur due to software compatibility, M1 is on Monterey.
• FlyingAvatar 5y ago
  I had a friend with this issue on a new Intel MBP and it ultimately required a mainboard swap to fix. They covered it under warranty, however as the machine was <1 year old.
• benatkin 5y ago
  I'm getting double typing on my M1 MBP. It's infuriating. Also seems to only happen when I am not watching my every keystroke. It certainly is happening though.
• cschmittiey 5y ago
  I also have this issue. It’s especially bad on the latest developer betas. I remember in previous iterations of the OS if I killed an app it would be fine but I don’t remember which app. Maybe safari?
• herpderperator 5y ago
  From one of the links[0]: > I have two M1 macbook airs, both have this issue. It's only present when macOS resumes after running out of battery. Restarting fixes it, but that's a pain and defeats the whole point of the low battery resume feature. > Interestingly the cursor isn't the only thing that's slow. I maintain an old OpenGL codebase and rendering performance is degraded until I restart. I've optimized for the M1 so it's definitely not a rosetta issue. It's almost like the gpu gets stuck in a low power mode after shutting down due to low battery. I can attest to this - also with an M1 Air. When macOS resumes from 0% battery, it's stuck in 30Hz mode. Not just the cursor - everything. I've always restarted to fix. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/qj77mq/cursor_lag_continues_on_monterey_m1/ https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/qj77mq/cursor_lag_cont...
  • throwawayninja 5y ago
    > When macOS resumes from 0% battery, it's stuck in 30Hz mode This sounds like detailed, testable data; I wonder how much effort it is to query this in code at resume just to confirm?
    • herpderperator 5y ago
      iStat Menus will tell you the current "Frames Per Second", which is where I recall seeing it cap at 30Hz no matter what interaction I tried, after the 0% resume event. You have to basically scroll or do something that is supposed to be smooth to force the GPU to work as fast as it can, then immediately check the "Frames Per Second" in the iStat Menus toolbar. The "Frames Per Second" wouldn't display a number past 30Hz, whereas right now in the non-buggy state I can easily make it show 60Hz by scrolling in HN and clicking the iStat Menus toolbar immediately. It's been a while since I let my M1 Air fall to 0% but I am almost certain that's how I confirmed it.
      • tra3 5y ago
        I can't find "Frames per second" in iStat. I checked CPU/GPU section. Where is it?
• mozillamaxx 5y ago
  2019 MBP, Big Sur: I have the same issue. I have had better luck with the magic Trackpad plugged in via USB than over BT.
• juancn 5y ago
  It could have a myriad causes. On the video is over bluetooth, so a noisy radio environment, or some weird glitch on the bluetooth controller. If it happens on the trackpad, it could be a defect on the trackpad itself, or something overloading the USB hub it's attached to. It could also be a sign of swapping, too many interrupts, badly prioritized processes, etc. A bug in adaptive refresh rate might do it. A process messing with events (such as an app listening on mouse moves or an antivirus). It may not be a single bug, but just a symptom of something else.
• gafferongames 5y ago
  I can confirm this. The very first thing I noticed when I bought a new M1 Mac air :(
• ryall 5y ago
  I get this on my M1 Air, maybe once or twice a week. I use a Magic trackpad, and when it occurs the built-in trackpad still works fine. To fix it I disable Bluetooth on the M1, then re-enable and everything is fine again. This lead me to believe it was related to the Bluetooth stack, but if people are experiencing it while using built-in trackpad if be interested to know if my workaround still fixes it.
• avidphantasm 5y ago
  I had this problem on my 2019 i9 MBP. It seemed to involve the keyboard. One way to trigger it was to use the calculator app. Entering simple arithmetic expressions (e.g., '3' then '+' then '4' then '+' then ... '=') with the built-in keyboard would often result in the result not being displayed until I moved the mouse pointer using the built-in trackpad.
• HNSucksAss 5y ago
• united893 5y ago
  I also have this issue. Have noticed it often happens when interacting in an external screen.
• burlesona 5y ago
  I have this on Intel MacBooks, and it seems like the issue is fixed by turning off Bluetooth. I think it happens when there’s an accessory that’s on the edge of Bluetooth range and struggling to stay connected, because I notice it most often when working at a table that’s about 20 meters from my desk (where I have a Bluetooth trackpad).
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• tucosan 5y ago
  Lots of people also complain about weird flickering on their M1 Macs. https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/s36bam/very_weird_flickering_problem_with_lg_27_27un880b/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/s36bam/very_weird...
• masswerk 5y ago
  I had a problem on a M1 24" iMac / Big Sur, where the (Magic) mouse would behave choppy and slow. I found, re-plugging a USB device (and by this restarting the driver stack) solved the issue. I'm not sure, if this is the same problem, but this was definitely a more general problem with the USB driver stack, not just with the cursor that eventually displays the motion. (That issues are reported for both scrolling and cursor movement also hints in this direction.) There's also a wakeup-immediately-after-sleep issue, which seems to be linked to the USB stack, as well.
• agent_simon 5y ago
• joeman1000 5y ago
  I find that scrolling in safari can be very unresponsive and choppy at times. I’ve got an MBP w/ M1 Pro.
• throwaway81523 5y ago
  We could even start a gofundme, if Apple can't afford a QA department to surface its own bugs instead of letting Reddit to it.
• craftoman 5y ago
  MacBook Pro M1 owner here. Scrolling is lagging like I'm on a $300 laptop. This is a ridiculous behavior for a high end laptop like this. I seriously don't know what to say, it's frustrating.
• cassianoleal 5y ago
  I had the same. Disabling shake to locate didn't help, but after I read this comment on Reddit [0] I unticked `Show screensaver after ...` and it hasn't happened again. It's been about a week now. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/qtfc2e/comment/hrd7ztn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/qtfc2e/comment/hrd7ztn...