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> These fast delivery stores are not serving an actual need in these places. Who are you to tell anyone what they need? If there's a consumer demand for it, an

> These fast delivery stores are not serving an actual need in these places. Who are you to tell anyone what they need? If there's a consumer demand for it, and companies willng and able to serve that market, you're free to use them or not. But you don't get to determine how and where people get their groceries, that's none of your business. I realize that in some Dutch cities the council is long used to shaping infrastructure in order to force things, but call that what it is: forceful local government shaping cities according to some guiding principle. That is very far removed from dismissing dissenting opinions to the point of there being "no need" for them. (sorry for the rant, just very pissed off with this far-left assumption of always being right, and presenting opinions as obvious fact)

mathverse 5y ago
As a european I agree but that's Europe for you. The city, government, "experts", or just the "majority" of people know what's best for everyone and you have to shut up and suck it up otherwise you are labelled as undesirable.
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  >As a european I agree but that's Europe for you. It's not much different in America, it's just that corporations make the decisions in their interest rather than politicians.
  - bko 5y ago
    Easier to ignore a corporation than it is to ignore the law.
    - tonyedgecombe 5y ago
      Not if the corporations are making the laws.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    No, it's politicians here too. Look at all of the corporations that wanted to be open at the beginning of lockdown, but that the politicians decreed non-essential.
rexpress 5y ago
I haven't witnessed the Dutch situation in person, but it seems the "willing and able to serve the market" might be predicated on being able to make the streets squalid, and in some cases displace profitable businesses by burning through speculative VC funds. It seems entirely reasonable that local government would want to stop this. The libertarian fantasy that each individual or organisation should have unfettered freedom to do whatever they please would be more attractive if such individuals or organisations were also compelled to pay the costs of whatever negative externalities they create.
MrDresden 5y ago
> sorry for the rant No worries, you are forgiven.

mathverse 5y ago

As a european I agree but that's Europe for you. The city, government, "experts", or just the "majority" of people know what's best for everyone and you have to shut up and suck it up otherwise you are labelled as undesirable.

tonyedgecombe 5y ago
>As a european I agree but that's Europe for you. It's not much different in America, it's just that corporations make the decisions in their interest rather than politicians.
- bko 5y ago
  Easier to ignore a corporation than it is to ignore the law.
  - tonyedgecombe 5y ago
    Not if the corporations are making the laws.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  No, it's politicians here too. Look at all of the corporations that wanted to be open at the beginning of lockdown, but that the politicians decreed non-essential.

rexpress 5y ago

I haven't witnessed the Dutch situation in person, but it seems the "willing and able to serve the market" might be predicated on being able to make the streets squalid, and in some cases displace profitable businesses by burning through speculative VC funds. It seems entirely reasonable that local government would want to stop this. The libertarian fantasy that each individual or organisation should have unfettered freedom to do whatever they please would be more attractive if such individuals or organisations were also compelled to pay the costs of whatever negative externalities they create.

MrDresden 5y ago

> sorry for the rant No worries, you are forgiven.