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Loved 1password. It was my first password manager and for years I've bought it, and was happy to pay for such a great app. However they've recently switched to

Loved 1password. It was my first password manager and for years I've bought it, and was happy to pay for such a great app. However they've recently switched to subscription. They've done it gradually to not let people run away. Ty 1password for all ur help in these years, but I will not use u anymore. I sincerely cannot accept these kind of things. I've bought an app, and the developer turned it to subscription based. Ok. It's your choice. But you've lost me. :)

smt88 5y ago
This is a weird hill to die on. Yes, you "bought" the app, but it gets constant updates. It's not like 1990s desktop software, where version X was some static thing that didn't require maintenance as long as it worked. 1Password needs constant, expensive maintenance even if it has zero bugs because they have to keep pace with potential attackers. They're spending a stream of money to keep the app updated and secure, so why shouldn't they ask for a stream of money from users? Also, comparing to Dashlane and LastPass (both of which are train wrecks), I would pay a lot more for 1Password. It's one of the best-designed, best-UX apps I've used in years. I'm kicking myself for only switching from LastPass a few weeks ago.
- b3morales 5y ago
  Speaking for myself, not parent, but one of their key justifications for the subscription was their cloud storage, which is a feature I do not want for my personal password store. I would actually be okay with a subscription (as long as I didn't lose read access on cancellation), if it didn't have that forced misfeature.
- stelgard 5y ago
  As I said, they can do what they want, and I'm not asking for a refund. But I can (also) choose. And I can choose if to continue to buy their service or not. I will not. :)
  - smt88 5y ago
    I don't care what you do. I'm obviously not saying you should be forced to use it. I was just disputing this sentence: > I've bought an app, and the developer turned it to subscription based. A one-time payment usually doesn't cover on-going costs, to "bought an app" is a concept that doesn't apply neatly to security-related software.
- fortuna86 5y ago
  Not really. Offer me a way to pay for 1p 8.0 and keep local storage.
dkonofalski 5y ago
I'm genuinely curious why. 1Password, to me, is one of the few software subscriptions that pays for itself. I used to use my own vaults locally and sync via Dropbox but needing to buy Windows and Mac licenses for me and my spouse ended up being much more expensive in the long run than a family plan. We always have the latest versions of the apps, they're constantly adding features, and they always use all the cool little bells and whistles in each OS. I don't take this position with most other apps as they don't really need a subscription to function but 1Password is a notable exception for me.
- Y-bar 5y ago
  I'm not who you are responding to, but I will comment on this: > but needing to buy Windows and Mac licenses for me and my spouse ended up being much more expensive in the long run than a family plan For me as well, paying for actual licenses will be more expensive out-of-wallet, but that in itself has a value to me as I now know I own a license that will not be revoked for whatever reason. It also means I am more in control over when and how to upgrade to new major version. The subscription model is also tied to a cloud syncing service which is also a _negative_ in my experience. And due to regulations it is even not allowed be used at my place of work. Having control over the license and therefore vault sync/no sync is also valuable. That said, I _totally_ understand that the value proposition that Agile Bits give you and others is nice. It's just that for me, the value proposition has gotten significantly worse, so any amount of "it can be cheaper" does not really help here.
  - dkonofalski 5y ago
    This makes sense but, knowing that these won't be supported started with v8, it doesn't really matter if the license is not revoked. If I want to continue using the system, and all the benefits and value that come with it, I need to use v8. SSH Keys and Git support alone makes that more valuable than maintaining a local license version.

smt88 5y ago

This is a weird hill to die on. Yes, you "bought" the app, but it gets constant updates. It's not like 1990s desktop software, where version X was some static thing that didn't require maintenance as long as it worked. 1Password needs constant, expensive maintenance even if it has zero bugs because they have to keep pace with potential attackers. They're spending a stream of money to keep the app updated and secure, so why shouldn't they ask for a stream of money from users? Also, comparing to Dashlane and LastPass (both of which are train wrecks), I would pay a lot more for 1Password. It's one of the best-designed, best-UX apps I've used in years. I'm kicking myself for only switching from LastPass a few weeks ago.

b3morales 5y ago
Speaking for myself, not parent, but one of their key justifications for the subscription was their cloud storage, which is a feature I do not want for my personal password store. I would actually be okay with a subscription (as long as I didn't lose read access on cancellation), if it didn't have that forced misfeature.
stelgard 5y ago
As I said, they can do what they want, and I'm not asking for a refund. But I can (also) choose. And I can choose if to continue to buy their service or not. I will not. :)
- smt88 5y ago
  I don't care what you do. I'm obviously not saying you should be forced to use it. I was just disputing this sentence: > I've bought an app, and the developer turned it to subscription based. A one-time payment usually doesn't cover on-going costs, to "bought an app" is a concept that doesn't apply neatly to security-related software.
fortuna86 5y ago
Not really. Offer me a way to pay for 1p 8.0 and keep local storage.

dkonofalski 5y ago

I'm genuinely curious why. 1Password, to me, is one of the few software subscriptions that pays for itself. I used to use my own vaults locally and sync via Dropbox but needing to buy Windows and Mac licenses for me and my spouse ended up being much more expensive in the long run than a family plan. We always have the latest versions of the apps, they're constantly adding features, and they always use all the cool little bells and whistles in each OS. I don't take this position with most other apps as they don't really need a subscription to function but 1Password is a notable exception for me.

Y-bar 5y ago
I'm not who you are responding to, but I will comment on this: > but needing to buy Windows and Mac licenses for me and my spouse ended up being much more expensive in the long run than a family plan For me as well, paying for actual licenses will be more expensive out-of-wallet, but that in itself has a value to me as I now know I own a license that will not be revoked for whatever reason. It also means I am more in control over when and how to upgrade to new major version. The subscription model is also tied to a cloud syncing service which is also a _negative_ in my experience. And due to regulations it is even not allowed be used at my place of work. Having control over the license and therefore vault sync/no sync is also valuable. That said, I _totally_ understand that the value proposition that Agile Bits give you and others is nice. It's just that for me, the value proposition has gotten significantly worse, so any amount of "it can be cheaper" does not really help here.
- dkonofalski 5y ago
  This makes sense but, knowing that these won't be supported started with v8, it doesn't really matter if the license is not revoked. If I want to continue using the system, and all the benefits and value that come with it, I need to use v8. SSH Keys and Git support alone makes that more valuable than maintaining a local license version.