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Who said anything about “correct”? I would expect that those who feel pride in their genes are more likely to demonstrate confident behaviors than those who ar

• aristofun 5y ago
  What do you base this upon? Why are people confident about their genes not more prone to feel responsible and compassionate to others’ less lucky ones’ needs, just like many rich people donate great sums of money to charity (in extreme cases) or famous musicians giving charity shows?
  • dpark 5y ago
    These are great questions. And it’s worthwhile to note that different displays of pride are certainly possible. This doesn’t necessarily imply that pride has no predictive power. It seems to indicate instead that different types of pride manifest differently. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6209642/#!po=0.526316 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6209642/#!po=0.... Authentic pride is experienced when the attribution of success is internal, unstable, and controllable (Lewis, 2007; Tracy et al., 2009). Authentic pride is associated with extraversion, agreeableness, conscientiousness, satisfying social relationships, high self-esteem, prosocial behaviors, achievement-orientation and mental health (Tracy and Robins, 2007a,b; Tracy et al., 2009; Cheng et al., 2010). Hubristic pride is experienced if the attribution of success is external, stable, and uncontrollable (Lewis, 2007; Tracy et al., 2009). In contrast to authentic pride, it is related to more antisocial and aggressive behaviors. It is associated with disagreeableness, neuroticism, lack of conscientiousness, narcissism, problematic relationships, and poor mental health outcomes (Tracy and Robins, 2007a,b; Tracy et al., 2009; Cheng et al., 2010). In this Taxonomy, genetic pride would be hubristic so this paper would imply that it has some likely negative effects. I am in no way an expert in this and would be happy to see evidence against my expectations. But it was not hard to find scholarly papers supporting the gist of what I said.
    • aristofun 5y ago
      > This doesn’t necessarily imply that pride has no predictive power Do you realize that in such subtle matters as personal attitudes and feelings there is no way even to properly define the variables, let alone to set up a reproducible experiment? So we come to my starting point - the word “pride” can have 1000 different flavors for different people, leading to different outcomes. And we can’t possibly measure any correlation because we don’t yet know how to define and detect the subjective. Then you have unlimited opportunities to write tons of pseudo scientific psychological papers focusing on one “kind” of pride and some group of people, inevitably filtering the observations and words through your own filters. This is related to fundamental philosophical problem of qualia if you’re interested.
      • dpark 5y ago
        Your analysis here is circular. You essentially state that it’s hard to measure the impact of pride so we shouldn’t try, which sure, you can hold that opinion I guess. But it kind of flies in the face of your original position that it’s not predictive. “Hard to understand” is not at all the same as “meaningless”. This also rings extremely hollow. There’s nothing about your claim that is specific to pride. You can apply your criticism to any aspect of human behavior. Humans are hard to predict. This is not a particularly novel insight.
        • aristofun 5y ago
          That’s right - you can apply same reasoning to any subjective internal feeling and attitude. This is the fundamental problem in philosophy, unsolved even in principle. May be some day well solve it. But so far it’s just a wordplay. This was exactly my point in the beginning.