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> Uhm, the key of the experiment was that someone did active division. I think that the division of people by vaccination status is active, like a division by

by ls15 5y ago

> Uhm, the key of the experiment was that someone did active division. I think that the division of people by vaccination status is active, like a division by religion or language would be active. > they're not encouraged to be militant by Justin Trudeau or Stanford researchers. I am not sure about this. Some argue that demand characteristics lead to the outcome of the experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment#Demand_characteristics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment#Dem... The BBC experiment had a different outcome. Like the Danish "experiment" today (no mandates, no protests, nobody calling for state of emergency).

Arnt 5y ago
Could you elaborate on why this is an active division? It might help if you explain it by comparing/contrasting it with the situation wrt. measles vaccines, which I understand is mandatory in parts of Canada and which hasn't involved noticeable protest.
- ls15 5y ago
  Two doses of measles vaccine are 97% effective and do not need any further boosters, while we don't know if 4 doses of today's SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are effective against next month's variant. As I understand, with measles vaccines an outbreak can be prevented, while SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are not stopping the virus even in fully vaccinated populations. We also need to look at risks. Covid risks are spread unevenly over a population and it does not look to me like the threat is existential for humanity. Especially younger people are looking at worse risk/benefit ratios than older people. Since the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are not good at preventing transmission, I don't think that a mandate is needed, suitable or adequate. There are no mandates to quit drinking, smoking, potato chips and extreme sports or to do yoga, to eat healthy and to take proper supplements. Introducing such mandates may technically be possible, but it would leave us with a system like the social credit score where we need to prove our smoking, drinking or yoga status in order to be allowed to just be. Being required to prove our vaccination status already introduces a little bit of this and vaccinations could be done without this, by just not mandating them. I think it is fair to protest against this.
  - Arnt 5y ago
    I see. A fair answer, but informative rather than persuasive. To me that answer makes you look like the kind of person who protests against using a condom on a one-night stand because you don't know whether it'll protect against an unwanted pregnancy next week, and anyway the risks of an unwanted pregnancy are uneven.
    - ls15 5y ago
      To me that answer makes you look like the kind of person that compares apples and oranges.

by ls15 5y ago

Arnt 5y ago

Could you elaborate on why this is an active division? It might help if you explain it by comparing/contrasting it with the situation wrt. measles vaccines, which I understand is mandatory in parts of Canada and which hasn't involved noticeable protest.

ls15 5y ago
Two doses of measles vaccine are 97% effective and do not need any further boosters, while we don't know if 4 doses of today's SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are effective against next month's variant. As I understand, with measles vaccines an outbreak can be prevented, while SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are not stopping the virus even in fully vaccinated populations. We also need to look at risks. Covid risks are spread unevenly over a population and it does not look to me like the threat is existential for humanity. Especially younger people are looking at worse risk/benefit ratios than older people. Since the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are not good at preventing transmission, I don't think that a mandate is needed, suitable or adequate. There are no mandates to quit drinking, smoking, potato chips and extreme sports or to do yoga, to eat healthy and to take proper supplements. Introducing such mandates may technically be possible, but it would leave us with a system like the social credit score where we need to prove our smoking, drinking or yoga status in order to be allowed to just be. Being required to prove our vaccination status already introduces a little bit of this and vaccinations could be done without this, by just not mandating them. I think it is fair to protest against this.
- Arnt 5y ago
  I see. A fair answer, but informative rather than persuasive. To me that answer makes you look like the kind of person who protests against using a condom on a one-night stand because you don't know whether it'll protect against an unwanted pregnancy next week, and anyway the risks of an unwanted pregnancy are uneven.
  - ls15 5y ago
    To me that answer makes you look like the kind of person that compares apples and oranges.