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Your comment doesn't even engage with the article's premise. You are attacking a strawman. They specifically mention the Japanese version of other-initiated rep

Your comment doesn't even engage with the article's premise. You are attacking a strawman. They specifically mention the Japanese version of other-initiated repair and it isn't "Ha?"

asiachick 5y ago
From the abstract > A word like Huh?–used as a repair initiator when, for example, one has not clearly heard what someone just said– is found in roughly the same form and function in spoken languages across the globe. We investigate it in naturally occurring conversations in ten languages and present evidence and Japanese don't use it for when "one has not clearly heard what someone just said" > Huh? is a universal word not because it is innate but because it is shaped by selective pressures in an interactional environment that all languages share: that of other-initiated repair. No, that is not how it's used in Japanese. They do not use "Ha" for "other-initiated repair"
- getoj 5y ago
  That’s your parent’s point; the article states that the Japanese other-initiated repair word is “e”, which it is. The article argues convincingly that “e” is “huh”-like, defining that as having an unrounded mid-front vowel with a glottal onset (or no onset). Interestingly, in addition to “e” and “ha”, Japanese also has “hai” with a rising intonation, which is a more polite “e?” - all of these are “huh”-like.
  - asiachick 5y ago
    don't agree that e is huh. e is often eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee but huh is never extended. Further, e is used for confirmation unlike huh
    - harpersealtako 5y ago
      We're talking about "e" as it is used as an open other-initiated repair, the fact that it has a dozen other usages is irrelevant here. "E" (and sometimes "a", though I believe that might be regional and more context-dependent) is definitely used as an open other-initiated repair word in Japanese, meaning they can be used in the place of "huh" in the following dialogue pattern: "Hey, what time is it?" "Huh?" "I said, what time is it?"
nekcihc 5y ago
>>We have presented evidence and arguments that huh?, or more precisely a short questioning interjection with the function of other-initiation of repair, is a universal word likely to be attested in similar form in all natural spoken languages Since they used word "likely", then the whole article does not mean, that huh applies to every language. They also used "more precisely a short questioning interjection with the function of other-initiation of repair" - and that is more closer to truth, as such questioning interjection might be present in all languages. But it hardly represents topic of huh. Only because of logic used in conclusion, I can dare to say with absolute truth that: "Earth is flat, or more precisely - it is not round as ball". You can just marvel when scientists became lawyers and when science died because of that type of language. PS With exception to English, other 2 languages that I use as native user do not have any equivalent of huh? at all. Unless it is what?, as a shortened form of question - what did you said?, but it is hardly a candidate to huh? unless we are really stretching the argument to include everything else. With that argumentation we can stretch even mouse onto a elephant.

Your comment doesn't even engage with the article's premise. You are attacking a strawman. They specifically mention the Japanese version of other-initiated repair and it isn't "Ha?"

asiachick 5y ago

From the abstract > A word like Huh?–used as a repair initiator when, for example, one has not clearly heard what someone just said– is found in roughly the same form and function in spoken languages across the globe. We investigate it in naturally occurring conversations in ten languages and present evidence and Japanese don't use it for when "one has not clearly heard what someone just said" > Huh? is a universal word not because it is innate but because it is shaped by selective pressures in an interactional environment that all languages share: that of other-initiated repair. No, that is not how it's used in Japanese. They do not use "Ha" for "other-initiated repair"

getoj 5y ago
That’s your parent’s point; the article states that the Japanese other-initiated repair word is “e”, which it is. The article argues convincingly that “e” is “huh”-like, defining that as having an unrounded mid-front vowel with a glottal onset (or no onset). Interestingly, in addition to “e” and “ha”, Japanese also has “hai” with a rising intonation, which is a more polite “e?” - all of these are “huh”-like.
- asiachick 5y ago
  don't agree that e is huh. e is often eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee but huh is never extended. Further, e is used for confirmation unlike huh
  - harpersealtako 5y ago
    We're talking about "e" as it is used as an open other-initiated repair, the fact that it has a dozen other usages is irrelevant here. "E" (and sometimes "a", though I believe that might be regional and more context-dependent) is definitely used as an open other-initiated repair word in Japanese, meaning they can be used in the place of "huh" in the following dialogue pattern: "Hey, what time is it?" "Huh?" "I said, what time is it?"

nekcihc 5y ago

>>We have presented evidence and arguments that huh?, or more precisely a short questioning interjection with the function of other-initiation of repair, is a universal word likely to be attested in similar form in all natural spoken languages Since they used word "likely", then the whole article does not mean, that huh applies to every language. They also used "more precisely a short questioning interjection with the function of other-initiation of repair" - and that is more closer to truth, as such questioning interjection might be present in all languages. But it hardly represents topic of huh. Only because of logic used in conclusion, I can dare to say with absolute truth that: "Earth is flat, or more precisely - it is not round as ball". You can just marvel when scientists became lawyers and when science died because of that type of language. PS With exception to English, other 2 languages that I use as native user do not have any equivalent of huh? at all. Unless it is what?, as a shortened form of question - what did you said?, but it is hardly a candidate to huh? unless we are really stretching the argument to include everything else. With that argumentation we can stretch even mouse onto a elephant.