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> Prior to student loans you more or less had to fund it yourself, Or become a citizen of a country that is not hostile to its population. In many countries y

> Prior to student loans you more or less had to fund it yourself, Or become a citizen of a country that is not hostile to its population. In many countries you can get decent education for free. As it should be. Because educated population that is drowning in debt is probably going to lead to better outcomes in the future. You can have poor parents, not be particularly bright, work hard to get your education and start your life with no debt at all.

ab_testing 5y ago
While it is a fair comment , just how realistic is it for a n 18 year old to drop their birth citizenship and pick the citizenship of another country?
- JCharante 5y ago
  You don't need to drop your citizenship. The US has so so many international students and every college student in the US can point to one that they know. People in developing countries like Vietnam study German in high school so that they can study in a German university for extremely cheap. "Emigration for thee but not for me" Meanwhile the smart ones who got stuck with college loans and worthless degrees figured out it's better to teach English abroad for 6x a local's salary and substantially less hours.
  - TrickardRixx 5y ago
    The only language (other than English) taught in my local school district is Spanish. How do you expect US students to learn a language to emigrate somewhere else?
    - rsfern 5y ago
      Online courses? You can find language learning correspondents too, like pen pals but with video chat. Plus most US universities have resources for students whose first language is not English, probably most countries have something similar. Picking it up by immersion is hard but it’s supposed to be the best way to learn
    - JCharante 5y ago
      How do you expect Vietnamese students to learn? They have a dramatically lower GDP and their focus is on English education (although it's not great). Textbooks and parents pressuring kids to focus on their education can do it. There's also a million free online resources for learning a language in English, not so many for people who speak a less infernationally-utilized language.
rayiner 5y ago
> Or become a citizen of a country that is not hostile to its population. The U.S. spends 1% of GDP on public support for tertiary education: https://www.oecd.org/els/soc/PF1_2_Public_expenditure_education.pdf https://www.oecd.org/els/soc/PF1_2_Public_expenditure_educat... (page 2, panel B). That's right in the middle of the G7: less than Canada, France, and Germany, but more than the U.K., Japan, and Italy. What's extraordinary about the U.S. is how expensive tertiary education is overall: 2.5% of GDP, the highest in the world. American universities spend a lot more money per student on administrators, student services, facilities, etc.

ab_testing 5y ago

While it is a fair comment , just how realistic is it for a n 18 year old to drop their birth citizenship and pick the citizenship of another country?

JCharante 5y ago
You don't need to drop your citizenship. The US has so so many international students and every college student in the US can point to one that they know. People in developing countries like Vietnam study German in high school so that they can study in a German university for extremely cheap. "Emigration for thee but not for me" Meanwhile the smart ones who got stuck with college loans and worthless degrees figured out it's better to teach English abroad for 6x a local's salary and substantially less hours.
- TrickardRixx 5y ago
  The only language (other than English) taught in my local school district is Spanish. How do you expect US students to learn a language to emigrate somewhere else?
  - rsfern 5y ago
    Online courses? You can find language learning correspondents too, like pen pals but with video chat. Plus most US universities have resources for students whose first language is not English, probably most countries have something similar. Picking it up by immersion is hard but it’s supposed to be the best way to learn
  - JCharante 5y ago
    How do you expect Vietnamese students to learn? They have a dramatically lower GDP and their focus is on English education (although it's not great). Textbooks and parents pressuring kids to focus on their education can do it. There's also a million free online resources for learning a language in English, not so many for people who speak a less infernationally-utilized language.

rayiner 5y ago

> Or become a citizen of a country that is not hostile to its population. The U.S. spends 1% of GDP on public support for tertiary education: https://www.oecd.org/els/soc/PF1_2_Public_expenditure_education.pdf https://www.oecd.org/els/soc/PF1_2_Public_expenditure_educat... (page 2, panel B). That's right in the middle of the G7: less than Canada, France, and Germany, but more than the U.K., Japan, and Italy. What's extraordinary about the U.S. is how expensive tertiary education is overall: 2.5% of GDP, the highest in the world. American universities spend a lot more money per student on administrators, student services, facilities, etc.