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Just because I've paid for healthcare my entire life (including bills owed to the hospital) doesn't mean other people should have to. And just because anyone ha

by imilk 5y ago

Just because I've paid for healthcare my entire life (including bills owed to the hospital) doesn't mean other people should have to. And just because anyone has to do something that is terrible, doesn't mean that everyone else should be required to go through that terrible experience. Your reasoning is incredibly shortsighted and selfish.

notch656a 5y ago
No one is stopping you from engaging in private charity. I'm just asking you not to vote for men to come with guns to enforce your charitable endeavors. Right now the Amish are able to 'opt out of social security.' Very much this were an option for atheists and those outside of these religious exceptions. I'd agree to sign my death warrant and never be bailed out by society if they agree to let me opt out of the insurance plan.
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  Single payer healthcare isn't considered charity in any other civilized country, its a government service and our private system is bloated in the first place. I'd rather have single payer over having a bunch of middle men leeching
  - notch656a 5y ago
    I'm fine with some consensual system where those who opt in to it can engage in it. So long as I can opt out (of both liabilities and benefits), even if it means forever signing my rights away to public healthcare, it's all good to me. Consent about your health care decisions is important in my opinion. >bunch of middle men leeching Hopefully attempt here won't merely substitute administrators and insurance leeches for government bureaucrat leeches. I'm all for tossing out the leeches. Concierge / cash only medical offices are one way to do this, but a well run single payer system could probably achieve it as well.
    - netizen-936824 5y ago
      I absolutely understand your concern about government leech's as well, I'm in the same boat. Too often do politicians just go with their friends or donors to supply services and contracts. Its a big problem that wastes a ton of money and time. I also think your idea of being able to opt out is interesting, I think this could be a viable concept but I don't know how it would be implemented. It would seem that there might be two parallel systems if that were to happen.
- imilk 5y ago
  I have absolutely no idea what my comment had to do with charity and have no idea what you're responding to.
  - notch656a 5y ago
    > Just because I've paid for healthcare my entire life (including bills owed to the hospital) doesn't mean other people should have to You indicate other people shouldn't have to pay for their healthcare. How were you proposing it be paid? The main options I think of are the ones I mention, either charity or men with guns to enforce payment (taxes) of this charitable endeavor. Unless you are a doctor and you'll be performing this directly for these people. Of course, it would be incredibly shortsighted and selfish to use violence to enforce ideals of charity. >no idea what you're responding to. Now you know. I'm responding to you.
ericmcer 5y ago
I agree but should there be some kind of repercussion? It isn't like the loan amount is hidden from you. If you have never had more than 1,000 in your savings account doesn't taking out a 6 figure loan trigger some alarm bells? This stuff kinda hits me in a similar manner to rehabilitation for violent offenders. It is the obvious ideal but my faith in humanity makes me skeptical of it working well. I know if I had a loan right now I would be biden my time until it got forgiven.

by imilk 5y ago

notch656a 5y ago

No one is stopping you from engaging in private charity. I'm just asking you not to vote for men to come with guns to enforce your charitable endeavors. Right now the Amish are able to 'opt out of social security.' Very much this were an option for atheists and those outside of these religious exceptions. I'd agree to sign my death warrant and never be bailed out by society if they agree to let me opt out of the insurance plan.

netizen-936824 5y ago
Single payer healthcare isn't considered charity in any other civilized country, its a government service and our private system is bloated in the first place. I'd rather have single payer over having a bunch of middle men leeching
- notch656a 5y ago
  I'm fine with some consensual system where those who opt in to it can engage in it. So long as I can opt out (of both liabilities and benefits), even if it means forever signing my rights away to public healthcare, it's all good to me. Consent about your health care decisions is important in my opinion. >bunch of middle men leeching Hopefully attempt here won't merely substitute administrators and insurance leeches for government bureaucrat leeches. I'm all for tossing out the leeches. Concierge / cash only medical offices are one way to do this, but a well run single payer system could probably achieve it as well.
  - netizen-936824 5y ago
    I absolutely understand your concern about government leech's as well, I'm in the same boat. Too often do politicians just go with their friends or donors to supply services and contracts. Its a big problem that wastes a ton of money and time. I also think your idea of being able to opt out is interesting, I think this could be a viable concept but I don't know how it would be implemented. It would seem that there might be two parallel systems if that were to happen.
imilk 5y ago
I have absolutely no idea what my comment had to do with charity and have no idea what you're responding to.
- notch656a 5y ago
  > Just because I've paid for healthcare my entire life (including bills owed to the hospital) doesn't mean other people should have to You indicate other people shouldn't have to pay for their healthcare. How were you proposing it be paid? The main options I think of are the ones I mention, either charity or men with guns to enforce payment (taxes) of this charitable endeavor. Unless you are a doctor and you'll be performing this directly for these people. Of course, it would be incredibly shortsighted and selfish to use violence to enforce ideals of charity. >no idea what you're responding to. Now you know. I'm responding to you.

ericmcer 5y ago

I agree but should there be some kind of repercussion? It isn't like the loan amount is hidden from you. If you have never had more than 1,000 in your savings account doesn't taking out a 6 figure loan trigger some alarm bells? This stuff kinda hits me in a similar manner to rehabilitation for violent offenders. It is the obvious ideal but my faith in humanity makes me skeptical of it working well. I know if I had a loan right now I would be biden my time until it got forgiven.